*** Official MILLION DOLLAR BABY Discussion Thread

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  1. Ernest Rister

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    MILLION DOLLLAR BABY contains some sizable plot twists and revelations, and so, I caution casual readers of this thread with the usual HTF disclaimer...Review Threads are spoiler-free, or should have the spoilers marked. Discussion threads are more loose, and so, if you don't want to be spoiled, it is best to stay out of the discussion thread until you have seen this movie.

    That said, to get the discussion thread rolling, here are links to two mostly spoiler-free reviews...

    Roger Ebert "A Masterpiece...the best film of the year."

    A.O. Scott
    "Overwhelming" "A Masterpiece"

    And since this is a discussion thread, here is your first spoiler:

    The Lake Isle of Innisfree

    I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree,
    And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made;
    Nine bean rows will I have there, a hive for the honey bee,
    And live alone in the bee-loud glade.

    And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow,
    Dropping from the veils of the morning to where the cricket sings;
    There midnight's all a glimmer, and noon a purple glow,
    And evening full of the linnet's wings.

    I will arise and go now, for always night and day
    I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore
    While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements gray,
    I hear it in the deep heart's core.

    -- "The Lake Isle of Innisfree", William Butler Yeats
     
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    Another very positive review. I'm looking forward to this film.
     
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    The 12/15 issue of USA Today had a gushing 4 star review for "Million Dollar Baby".
     
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    I read Ebert and A.O. Scott's reviews. [​IMG] I'll definitely make a point of seeing the film. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Houston made the limited engagement list. [​IMG]
     
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    I plan to see this film but on Jan 7th [​IMG]
     
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    "what is it about boxing movies that lend themselves to such deeper meaning and sensativity?"

    Becuase its the greatest sport in the world[​IMG]
     
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    I've heard good things, so I'll be there.
     
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    This thread is now designated the Official Discussion Thread for "Million Dollar Baby" please, post all comments, links to outside reviews, film and box office discussion items to this thread.

    All HTF member film reviews of "Million Dollar Baby" should be posted to the Official Review Thread.

    Thank you for your consideration in this matter.


    Crawdaddy
     
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    Since this is now official discussion, and I don't need spoilers...a little word about this script.

    It is near flawless.

    It seems like every word is carefully chosen...every moment. The set-ups and payoffs are so well played, so exact, so well-timed.

    Example: "Did you write your daughter?" "Every day." "You just lied to a priest." This is part of the banter between Clint and the priest early on. It further establishes Clint as a smart-ass curmudgeon, and he is somewhat unlikeable. But, later on he brings down the box of letters (amongst many, MANY boxes) and puts a returned letter into it - amongst hundreds of letters. Without one word of dialogue, that moment encapsulates his character! He has a past he regrets (we never learn, or need to learn, what it is), he loves/loved his daughter, he misses her, he is honorable, he WAS telling the truth, he is emotional, he CAN love, he is loyal (we also learn this from his relationships in the film). That is great writing.

    I'll go it one further - I'd be willing to bet that the priest character was expanded upon rewrites. They had to have him at the end to tell Clint euthanasia is a mortal sin...but, I'm willing to bet that's the only place he originally appeared. Then, over rewrites, they expanded him throughout the story and utilized him as an effective tool to tell us about Clint's character.

    Another great set up/pay off - "Fly there, drive back."

    And, of course, the dog story. Or, her nickname, Mo ??

    This movie is great...
     
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    A brilliant piece of filmmaking AND acting on Eastwood's part. Freeman hit another one out of the park and is a shoe-in for a Supporting Actor Nomination.

    But, OMG, Swank was just downright perfect! A very heartbreakingly powerful film.

    Definitely one of the best of 2004.
     
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    It was the best I've seen in the last 12 months.
     
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    I was so into this film that when that moment came, you know the one, I instinctively threw my hands over my eyes, viewing the scene through the spaces between by fingers, I was just wincing from the setup, and like a haymaker you never saw coming, it was devastating.

    Ultimately, it's optimistic as hell (Danger's return), using boxing as a metaphor for life and death. Boxing isn't all about wins and losses, instead, like life, it's about taking some punches, getting knocked down, and getting up from them and going toe-to-toe with what the other force in the ring (life) has in store for you.

    I have high Oscar hopes for this film, it never pulls a punch, and delivers in spades.
     
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    I saw it Yesterday, and for me it was the best film since Braveheart. It went straight to the Top 20 of my favorite movies list.

    It was perfect in every possible way.
     
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    I was just able to throw my hands up in front of my face and scream... while I can't speak to their physical reactions, the rest of the audience was definitely vocal during that moment.

    And then the sniffles came for the entire last act of the movie.

    This movie will win Oscars.

    - Steve
     
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    In the Oscar prediction thread, I thought MDB has good shots at the following big categories:

    Best Picture
    Best Director
    Best Actress
    Best Supporting Actor
    Best Adapted Screenplay (since it was from a story in a collection of stories, "Rope Burns")

    I think the competition is too crowded for Best Actor, so Eastwood would miss out on a nomination, even though his portrayal as Frankie is pretty good and endearing as a man who couldn't quite forgive himself for many decades, and lived everyday trying to make things right (letters to daughter, giving Eddie a place to stay/work after his last fight cost him an eye).

    Eddie got so many good lines in this film. "110."

    Can't believe the guy (Jay Baruchel) from "Undeclared" played Danger, while providing comic relief, his own small subplot helped boster that hopefulness quality to the film, in spite of the odds.

    I also liked the cinematography of the film, especially where Frankie's face seems to be half-lit, showing a bit of his dichotomy of begrudgingly reaching out to atone for past sins, and still living with those sins.
     
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    I finally got to see this yesterday.

    Lots of sniffles for the last 1/2 hour. Im glad I went into this unspoiled becuase the "turn" in the film came very unexpected to me. Amzing that a lifetime of work can be gone because of someones stupidity and/or anger.

    Anyway Hillary again showed no American actress can touch her when she has the right part and this is Clints best since Unforgiven. IMHO this was MUCH better than last years Mystic River.

    Unseats Maria Full Of Grace as best pic of the year for me.

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] out of 4[​IMG]s
     
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    Me too, very glad I was unspoiled, I had no idea that was coming. Left unspoken about for the entire post-crippling section of the movie were Clint's feelings of guilt at not being able to pull the stool away in time, but it was certainly there, hovering over everything he said and did.
     
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    That line got some applause in the crowd I saw it with.
     
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    People I saw it with (a mostly older crowd)clapped when he slipped the glove on, said to Danger "Do you mind?" and turned around to face Berry.
     

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