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Discussion in 'Music' started by Lee Scoggins, Mar 21, 2003.
Already mentioned here.
I thought we had agreed that we don't need a million 'Dark Side' threads.
Sorry, I missed that post Michael.
Still, does it not warrant its own thread so we can have reactions to the coming reviews?
If there was ever a time for a general thread like we do in the HT Software Forum, then this is it.
Actually, the review is at this link: http://www.highfidelityreview.com/re...umber=19939611
I love all the High-Res websites, but HFR is, for me, the first and last word when I wanna know the scoop. This is a typically in-depth, even phenomenal review. And I love how the "center channel issue" has grown even more complicated, with Guthrie schooling us on how it can be used (and not used).
(See, for comparison, the review of Natalie Merchant's "Tigerlilly" at HFR, and also listen to Diana Krall's "When I Look In Your Eyes".)
I find the emphasis that some listeners place on the center channel to be misguided. My system images well enough that, if you are in the sweet spot, you'd have a hard time telling whether the center is on or I had turned it off and engaged 'phantom'.
The center is absolutely essential for watching movies outside of the sweet spot, it keeps the dialog on-screen.
To me, a good mix is one where you you can close your eyes and not even tell where the speakers are, but you can pinpoint the location of different musical elements. I remain unconvinced that three speakers are needed to make this happen in front of you.
I have several Quad discs and visitors often think that all of the speakers are active when listening.
As far as the review goes, he really should have spell/grammar checked it; spelling isn't a pet peeve of mine but it makes the site a little more professional.
I do like (and typically trust) the HFR reviews but am more familiar with Brett and Mark's opinions.
I think it is interesting to discuss a brief question I asked Mike Hobson, a big supporter of DVDA, at the recent Atlanta Audio Society. He was discussing that many of the Mercury classical albums were recorded on three tracks and I asked if that would be perfect for a so-called tri-field presentation (L-C-R) and he said that would be very valid. Add a little room tone in the sides and you have a perfectly natural surround presentation based on tapes from the 50s and 60s.
So my point, and its a minor onw, is that there are instances where LCR may make some sense, but I do find the center can be over-emphasized as well.
This 4.1 mix, primarily taking out the anchor of a 5.1 sound stage presentation, is a sad example of 2003 mixing technique.
Why not just use Alan Parson's Quad mix, if your only going to put the bass & sax in the center channel?
The Floyd in surround.
All I need now is a dome overhead and some lasers!
For how long does Sony have the rights for Dark Side Of The Moon?
I think we should wait for the DVD Audio version and Alan Parson mix.
This mix does give 'us' HiRez, so we can clear hear where they screwed up DSotM!
Obviously I never use any kind of 'phantom' center with DVD-A or SACD; there is no such processing to provide for it. But I have listened to some movies and music (DTS CDs, concert DVDs, and so on) in both ways.
And I'm not suggesting that centers are evil, or that nobody should use them.
I simply feel that the need for the center channel is overrated, and that sometimes it may be overemphasized.
My opinion. Your milage may vary.
Even if you are a staunch center-channel advocate, I wouldn't be quick to judge the disc before listening...
I can't wait to get this disc. Seeing as the reviewer preferred the CD layer to the MFSL UD1 gold disc, which I feel is excellent, the stereo SACD track should be a real treat. Whoo-hoo!
Two other problems many people forget about regarding center channels: 1) their position in relation to the other front channels and 2) most likely it won't fully match the left/right mains sonically speaking.
Two potentially big problems IMO.
And why I am an advocate of 4.1 channel surround.
If you have these speakers, you have a pretty good solution to the matching problem anyway. The mounting plate for the midrange/tweeter rotates--to maintain even dispersion--so you can use it as a full-range center channel.
And less important, but still irritating: what happens in the car environment? "O.K. sir where do you want us to cut the hole for your center channel?"