Official Atmos Home Theater Thread UPDATED With First Impressions (1 Viewer)

[schan1269]

1) Because 4k implementation has slipped many times in the past. Really? In the grand scheme, 4K/UHD is an infant still suckling the mother's teet. 2) Because these behind the scenes rumblings are very relevant to the possible future of Atmos. It goes hand in hand. I'm surprised you can't see that.Future of Atmos? Implement or not. You seem to think every theatre in the home is already 7.1 and/or incorporating width/height.

 

[skads_187]

im looking at the white paper, and its talking about in ceiling speakers with wide dispersion.
so if i do i a 7.1.4 setup , would these speakers be a good option: Paradigm AMS-150R?
or should i get 30 degree angled ones for the front and downward facing for the rear heights?

 

[DanH1972]

im looking at the white paper, and its talking about in ceiling speakers with wide dispersion.
so if i do i a 7.1.4 setup , would these speakers be a good option: Paradigm AMS-150R?
or should i get 30 degree angled ones for the front and downward facing for the rear heights?

What are your main speakers? You should timbre match as close as possible to your main speakers... and they must be able to handle a wide dynamic range... an Atmos soundtrack like Transformers 4 would probably kill lesser speakers! Those particular Paradigm in-ceilings don't show a dispersal pattern listed in the specs. More than likely you'll need speakers you can aim towards the MLP given the angle range in the newest installation white paper.

 

[skads_187]

What are your main speakers? You should timbre match as close as possible to your main speakers... and they must be able to handle a wide dynamic range... an Atmos soundtrack like Transformers 4 would probably kill lesser speakers! Those particular Paradigm in-ceilings don't show a dispersal pattern listed in the specs. More than likely you'll need speakers you can aim towards the MLP given the angle range in the newest installation white paper.

thing is, at the moment i have psb image series, but im looking at upgrading my L C R to the studio series, but i dont know when exactly. looking at the studio 60's and CC590 center.
but if i match with what i have right now, my image t45's are rated 10-150Watts, the ceiling speakers i mentioned are 15-110watts.

unless i go with this model Paradigm SA-15R-30 for the front heights and stick with the AMS-150R for the rear? or should the rear ones be 30 degree angled as well.

im just confused because the atmos layout for 7.1.4 , i find that the front heights are pretty close to the listening position already, with the 30 degree facing the listener, will it be too much you think? and overpower the other sound?

i didnt want to spend too too much on the ceiling speakers as im not sure how much content i will have to actually enjoy it on a regular basis. but dont want to installed too badly either.

 

[Dave Moritz]

I am sure that I said nothing about needing a new bluray player for Atmos.

Because Atmos will most likely be a part of any 4K UHD format that comes out so IMHO it is relevant.

 

[DanH1972]

thing is, at the moment i have psb image series, but im looking at upgrading my L C R to the studio series, but i dont know when exactly. looking at the studio 60's and CC590 center.
but if i match with what i have right now, my image t45's are rated 10-150Watts, the ceiling speakers i mentioned are 15-110watts.

unless i go with this model Paradigm SA-15R-30 for the front heights and stick with the AMS-150R for the rear? or should the rear ones be 30 degree angled as well.

im just confused because the atmos layout for 7.1.4 , i find that the front heights are pretty close to the listening position already, with the 30 degree facing the listener, will it be too much you think? and overpower the other sound?

i didnt want to spend too too much on the ceiling speakers as im not sure how much content i will have to actually enjoy it on a regular basis. but dont want to installed too badly either.

You can still use the ceiling speakers for Dolby Surround upmixing. And you'll want Studio Reference speakers for front and rear top speakers to timbre match with your eventual front and surround Studios. I don't recommend ADP surrounds for Atmos. Their tweeters/mid ranges are wired as dipoles.

Since Paradigm in-ceilings probably don't meet Atmos specifications for dispersion I would probably use angled models for both pairs, making sure that the angle pattern matches the recommended installation parameters once mounted in the ceiling.

 

[skads_187]

You can still use the ceiling speakers for Dolby Surround upmixing. And you'll want Studio Reference speakers for front and rear top speakers to timbre match with your eventual front and surround Studios. I don't recommend ADP surrounds for Atmos. Their tweeters/mid ranges are wired as dipoles.

Since Paradigm in-ceilings probably don't meet Atmos specifications for dispersion I would probably use angled models for both pairs, making sure that the angle pattern matches the recommended installation parameters once mounted in the ceiling.

so i am assuming you mean 30 degree front and 150 degree back. from what i can see on their site.

 

[Adam Gregorich]

We have updated the first post of this thread with a new Atmos Installation Guidelines document.

 

[DanH1972]

so i am assuming you mean 30 degree front and 150 degree back. from what i can see on their site.

It depends on where your MLP is placed within the room. That will force you to make adjustments accordingly. Take a look at their new white paper ^ ^.

 

[Dave Moritz]

According to bluray.com the first title to come out offering Dolby Atmos will be:

Transformers: Age of Extinction

Video: 1080p
Sound: Dolby Atmos, Dolby True HD 7.1, Dolby Digital 5.1

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=14840

I am betting that Gravity & The Avengers: The Age Of Ultron will also be released with Dolby Atmos.

 

[Dr Griffin]

I hate the thought of sinking a couple grand into an Atmos processor that has limits on channels, when I'd like to be able to also add some of the additional fronts and surrounds incrementally as finances permit. It's a dilemma that is probably best to wait on. There may be more affordable products in the next two years to address those of us unable to shell out 30 grand for the full array now. A good processor (not reciever w/amps) in the 3-5 grand range with full array capabilities would be in the acceptable ballpark.

 

[schan1269]

I am sure that I said nothing about needing a new bluray player for Atmos. Because Atmos will most likely be a part of any 4K UHD format that comes out so IMHO it is relevant.

You kept talking about UHD combined with Atmos like they would only occur together.I see the white paper shows a typical living room layout that shows no resemblance to the ITU standard.But like I've said all along...Overhead speakers mounted above the corners of the seating out approximately 2-3 feet at a 45 degree angle.

 

[DaveF]

I'm cautiously optimistic. A 5.1.4 system should work for my room, and is a baseline option being described. And since it's a 9.1 coding, it's supported by current receivers. Hopefully they'll be more affordable in a year or two.It's the speakers that are the challenge. I've got an SVS MTS system. I have no ideas what four speakers would be an affordable match for them.

 

[schan1269]

I'm cautiously optimistic. A 5.1.4 system should work for my room, and is a baseline option being described. And since it's a 9.1 coding, it's supported by current receivers. Hopefully they'll be more affordable in a year or two.It's the speakers that are the challenge. I've got an SVS MTS system. I have no ideas what four speakers would be an affordable match for them.

What is the Ebay situation on MTS?

 

[schan1269]

There is a pair of SBS 01. Those are concurrent.

 

[DaveF]

What is the Ebay situation on MTS?

There is a pair of SBS 01. Those are concurrent.

I haven't looked yet to see what's out there. I'm likely 12-24 months from this upgrade. But SBS speakers would be a good option for ceiling speakers, being comparatively small and of the same era and similar components (I presume) as my MTS.

 

[DaveF]

I'm encouraged that 9.1 receivers are about $2000. This is by no means cheap, but it's not a $5000 flagship either. It gives hope that with sale pricing or firmware-updated options could be $1500, maybe less in short order.http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX5200/Denon-AVR-X5200W-IN-Command.html?tp=179

 

[DanH1972]

The T4 demo clip used by Dolby at their CEDIA demo was underwhelming at best. You could barely make out where sounds were coming from... it was, as they say, a hot mess... of jumbled sound and mayhem or, if you prefer, Bayhem. Hopefully, it was just that scene. The bass was overwhelming... and not in a good way. It obscured the sound field.

The best movie clip turned out to be the all too short snippet from Star Trek: Into Darkness. There was only one music video and that was quite aggressive in utilizing the entire Atmos spectrum of 3D sound... and the smokin' Latin babes helped too!

The Atmos trailers showcased its potential the best. And 9.1.4 was the best "base" layout I heard... but it comes at a steep price. Though, a Dolby engineer may have tipped his hat when he mentioned to me that they were working on a 9.1.4 rendering block. Maybe for next year's "mainstream" product?? I can only hope!!!

 

[Dave Moritz]

Not sure when I will be able to upgrade myself. The last 5.1 receiver I used was my Yamaha RX-V995 which I still have, I used it for aprox 14 - 15 years before I was able to upgrade to the Pioneer Elite SC-05 7.1 receiver I am currently using. What I want to be able to do is to expand my system to a 7.1.4 but have the capability to go to a 7.1.6 if I get a bigger place. I am currently looking at Denon and Pioneer Elites for Dolby Atmos and what ever DTS puts out to compete with Dolby. I am not sure about Onkyo anymore and maybe Rotel if finances are better and maybe Yamaha. I am sure that features will come into play at some point but 4K switching and sound quality are the most important along with internal Atmos and UHD decoding. This is going to be a painful upgrade with needing a new receiver, 4 speakers for Atmos, replacing my current surround speakers to match the Atmos channels and a new center channel speakers. Other than wanting a 4K projector and 120" screen I honestly do not want to upgrade past this after Atmos, speakers and a 4K projector.

 

[RayJr]

Thank you to Adam, Ron and HTF for the chance to attend the Dolby Atmos Demo at CEDIA.
This was a really fun meeting other HTF members face to face, and chatting it up. Now for the feedback I promised Adam.
Here is what I found.....once again I preferred the Atmos enabled speakers...just seemed to have way more space then the direct firing speakers.
I did get a chance to speak with Craig Eggers and Brett Crockett about the New York Demo and asked why most those people preferred the direct firing speakers ..they told me that the ceiling in the NY demo was to absorbent..that was why most preferred direct firing.
Thanks again HTF..and it was great meeting the members that attended and putting a face to the screen name.

RayJr