Ocean's Eleven plot hole? (Spoiler)

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  1. John CW

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    Just seen this fantastic film, one question that hopefully some bright spark can answer: How did they get the leaflets into the safe?

    Another Planet of the Apes? Shame, an otherwise brilliant film!

    ~ John
     
  2. Dan Brecher

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    I enjoyed the new version too (having seen it last night). In regard to this issue, you mean the leaflets in the van when Casey Affleck blows it up?

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  3. Robert Crawford

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    The whole damn film is a plot hole but I still loved it! Those type of films will always have some plot points that are implausible but it is the telling of the story that counts and not realism.

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  4. Dan Brecher

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    Indeed, that's well put, Robert. To deem a little issue like this (if I am thinking about the same bit here) as another Apes is pushing it a bit. Even Sodebergh himself seems happy to admit the film is full of various issues like this, but that it is simply not the point of the movie.

    I'm in love with how Soderbergh shoots film. He, like Kubrick and Hitchcock really lights my passion for film as a shooting format because he puts it to such innovative use. Ocean's 11 had a delightfuly retro vibe to it that seems to have carried over from the rat pack original (which I honestly never loved much) and I got a thrill in seeing how much fun it obviously was for the cast and crew to make. If 90% of mainstream pictures were like this I'd be happy. Fact of the matter is, there are far more blockbusters guilty of more offensive plot holes.

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    I'm sure there are many plot holes in this film but the characters and the atmosphere were just so damn cool, I forgot all about the little tid-bits that were off. I've seen it a few times now and it's the characters that are the most interesting things in the film not the heist itself. Soderbergh is my favorite director around and I love his style, I'm glad his next film comes out quite soon. Can't wait to see the DVD.
     
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    I thought it was pretty clear. The SWAT team ([​IMG]) comes in with equipment bags. They have the leaflets in them. Some they leave and detonate in the room, some they load in the X bags. The X bags are loaded in the van and are detonated at the appropriate time. In the meantime, the SWAT team ([​IMG]) has their equipment bags loaded with some other form of paper product.
    I didn't think this was a plot hole, although there were a couple.
     
  7. Scott L

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    I only recently saw Planet of the Apes, what's the plot hole you speak of? You talkin the original (what I saw) or the Tim Burton version?
     
  8. Alex Spindler

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    Scott,

    They're talking about the remake and it's "ending".
     
  9. Matt Horne

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    Hi...

    The 'X' bags were removed from the vault before the SWAT team arrived... so that theory does not stick...

    But the film is so cool...and mellow.. love the soundtrack.

    (This issue reminds me of The Thomas Crown Affair... how did he get the painting back in the gallery ??)

    Cheers

    Matt
     
  10. John CW

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    MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD - DO NOT READ IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN THE FILM!!!!
    Just to clarify here: I'm talking about the huge 'X' bags that the REAL casino security people find in the safe and carry through to the white van outside.
    If you remember: Clooney breaks into the vault. They switch the camera to show the video of the fake safe being loaded up with fake cash. The security guards load up the white van with 'X' bags (while Clooney and Co are still in the vault?) and then the 'SWAT' team arrive.
    They then take the real cash.
    Question is: Where did the leaflets for the 'X' bags come from? I don't remember Clooney carrying them in with him [​IMG]
    Any ideas?
    It seems such a huge flaw for such an excellent film, especially when this is it's "big finish".
    ~ John
     
  11. Jeremy Illingworth

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    1. At the end, the two bad guys follow Danny and Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts. Was there supposed to be a post credits scene (cause I didn't get one) or are we left with a lack of closure on this issue?

    2. If the bad casino owner wouldn't let some rich old man into the vault to put his money in it, why would he have allowed a construction crew in to but the logo on floor, especially since it adds nothing to the vault security?

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  13. Chris Tsutsui

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    Perhaps it was the same construction crew that built the safe? I think he would have to trust the construction crew that builds the safe.. hehe

    Explanations regarding the leaflets...

    The leaflets are first brought into the safe by the security gaurds who had the bags pre-filled because they worked for Ocean. Then some of the gaurds take the money to the van, while the others leave the bags in the vault to be exploded.

    The leaflets are actually important stocks and bond papers inside the vault already, They were then used to stuff the bags and be used to blow up. The small fragments the audience sees are bits of a few comics or magazines that were also valuable and in the safe.

    The leaflets were already in the vault that was blown up because the rich casino owner ran an illegal buisness and stuffed his vault with half leaflets to make interest off the real money. The casino owner pretended to act suprised because he didn't want anyone to find out that he did not have all the money in the vault that he should.
     
  14. Phil Florian

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    The plot point I wonder about is not the leaflets, but why risk putting the explosives in the briefcase that you KNOW is going to be opened? Why not give it to the Chinese acrobat to keep in the container with him? I know they had to have the old man routine as the distraction, but risking the explosives was silly. But yeah, it was a cool flick and lots of fun to watch.

    Phil
     
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