Hey, this thread should be titled Ocean's Thirteen! The Rat Pack version is called Ocean's 11 and the remake is called Ocean's Eleven, being as it's spelled out. Helps to differentiate the two. I own Ocean's Eleven and would own Ocean's Twelve but it's strangely lacking the features the first one carried. Guess people who aren't too inclined and not in the know are clamoring for Ocean's One through Ten.
I quite liked Ocean's Eleven, but I loved Ocean's Twelve. Just watched it again last night as a matter of fact. I know I'm in the minority on that front, but I thought it had style up the wazoo, a huge sense of fun, great music and plot points/twists that worked for me.
I thought Ocean's 11 was a great fun heist film - nothing deep, but pure style and cool.
Ocean's 12 was such a disappointment. The twists and turns were unbelievable, and the plot points lacked credibility - raising an entire building in one week? Tess impersonating Julia Roberts? Holograms? The whole film just felt like they all got together to have fun in Europe, and making a movie was a secondary consideration.
Still, I'm looking forward to Ocean's 13, and hoping for a film closer to 11 than 12.
I agree about Ocean's 12. It started with a great premise then degenerated into an almost abstract exercise -- "character scenes" and weirdly-shot sequences which did little advance the plot (which became almost inconsequential)... so an interesting movie, definitely, almost art-house in its ambitions?
But yeah, the whole "Julia Roberts" thing was really, really, really stupid. Did I mention it was really stupid?
Ocean's 11 was an effective heist picture. Ocean's 12 was the closest a studio film has come to the embodying the French New Wave aesthetic since, uh, the French New Wave. Twelve is a jazz riff on the concept of a heist movie, 2 hours of jubilant experimental cinema, infused with the joy of the possiblities of moviemaking. It's all in the attitude. Ocean's 11 was about some guys stealing some money. Ocean's 12 is about shooting megastars with grainy handheld cameras and filming an airplane landing sideways simply because nobody else does.
As far as populist cinema goes, it's a terrific picture. Unfortunately, I doubt much of today's audience is going to dig the new wave aesthetic, particuarly when 1) they're not familiar with that sort of thing, and/or 2) they're rightfully expecting another "more of the same" straightforward effort, having seen the first film.
I can now say that I'm looking forward to the movie. The idea alone has me sold, as it brings us right back to where we started in Ocean's Eleven: Las Vegas. Not only that, there look to be some great lines and situations. If there are even more in the movie, it will be a good time at the movies.
I thought it was pretty entertaining in that it was paced rather well, but it was a little shallow in character development (almost impossible to do the entire crew justice in that area, but they all got a chance to shine in the film). The film pretty much expects viewers to know the crew from the previous installments, so little is mentioned of who's who, and the film just hits the ground running and never lets up.
The conclusion had some good all around moments where pretty much everyone got their just desserts.
Why do we need to have character development on characters we've known from three films? Yes, if I was the filmmaker I would assume that the audience knows the crew from the previous installments. It's not like the other two films were made so long ago that nobody remembers them with this latest installment which makes it three films in six years along with the various home video releases of them.
This film isn't as good as the first film, but is much better than the last one.
I guess watching the same Ocean's gang pulling off a revenge heist is fine for a generic followup, but with minimal character development, it just feels like a film going through the motion for most of its running time. Sure, there are some double-edged bits at the end of the film (more about the actor's future plans, not so much their character's plans), but not enough to make you care to know about what's going to happen to any of these thieves in the future. I think good character development makes the viewer more emotionally invested in the characters. Perhaps, I just wanted to be more surprised by at least some of these characters in this 3rd installment of the Ocean's trilogy, but got mostly the same-old, same-old.
The film is somewhat charming in its battle of the analog age vs. digital age of thievery and surveillance/security, but lacked the humorous and wink-of-the eye undertones from the Ocean's 11. With a crew this big, it's mainly all heist, with superficial human elements providing the close calls inherent in pulling off such a heist. The all-too-convenient setups against Willie Bank's character flaws are just too predictable (as well as other power plays) and made Willie Bank far too one-dimensional of a villain, and the tension somewhat simmers, but never approaches boiling point to get you to the edge of your seat by the time the film concludes.
If you want to see a film just going through the motion then watch the second film again. This film is a lot better and like I said earlier, I didn't need a lot of character development on characters I already feel I know well enough.
Loved this film, just as much as I loved the last two. I know Ocean's Twelve is considered the ball headed step child of the series but I dug the hell out of that film.
To be honest, I can honestly say I can't choose a favorite in this series. The wife and I came home after the film and literally rifted on elements we loved to death in all three films. And amazingly, we just couldn't choose a favorite.
Can Soderbergh's Ocean series be in the continuing argument over best series/franchise/trilogies?
I checked around before posting, but I guess Julia Roberts and Catherine Zeta Jones will not be in this film because of the way the story is constructed, they wouldn't have anything to contribute. That's too bad. I still plan to see O13 next week.
By the way, I just saw O12 last week for the first time. I liked it. I liked the experimental nature of the film, I didn't get the vibe that they were just having a party as they filmed the movie. One poster above mentions that O12 has a French New Wave style, if that's what it is, I saw it a refreshing change for a major A list type Hollywood film.