Non-tourney - Movies: the essentials

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  1. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    This isn't a tourney, it's a structured poll. The idea is this. Let's say you have someone unfamiliar with a particular genre. What 10 films would be essential for that person to get started and understand what the genre is all about. Obviously these have to be great films, though not necessarily the greatest since accessibility is also important.
    The genres are:
    Action/Adventure
    Children
    Comedy
    Drama
    Horror
    Musical
    Mystery
    Science Fiction
    Western
    Silent
    Anime
    Foreign Language
    Documentary
    War
    These are ALL broad genres that have lots of sub-genres, but I think it's a good breakdown.
    Each person gets to 'nominate' 3 from as many areas as you wish. There are no seconds, all nominations will be part of the later voting to select the 10 essentials for each genre. Feel free to nominate less that 3 and also, don't feel like you have to nominate for all categories. I certainly am not knowledgable enough to put my 2 cents in on the anime category.
    Please list the genres and your nominations. However, genres are tricky things and some nominations may get moved.
    BTW, look for a similar thread on essential music. [​IMG]
     
  2. Scott Weinberg

    Scott Weinberg Lead Actor

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    Very interesting idea, George!
    Off the top of my head:
    Action/Adventure
    Raiders of the Lost Ark
    Treasure of the Sierra Madre
    The African Queen
    Children
    The Wizard of Oz
    Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
    Toy Story
    Comedy
    Young Frankenstein
    Airplane!
    Animal House
    Drama
    The Godfather
    Citizen Kane
    Schinndler's List
    Horror
    The Exorcist
    Jaws
    Alien
    Musical
    Grease
    Cabaret
    The Sound of Music
    Mystery
    Rear Window
    The Maltese Falcon
    Chinatown
    Science Fiction
    2001: A Space Odyssey
    The Day the Earth Stood Still
    Blade Runner
    Western
    High Noon
    The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    The Wild Bunch
    Silent
    The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
    Metropolis
    City Lights
    Foreign Language
    [After much IMDb searching, I'm thinking I'll abstain on Foreign Language. I'm rather US-centric with my movie tastes, and I'd rather abstain than offer up the predictable choices like The Killer, Life is Beautiful and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I think all three are excellent movies, but I'd wager that they're hardly the finest foreign films ever made. I know next to nothing about Truffaut, Bunuel, etc. :b ]
    Documentary
    Roger & Me
    Hoop Dreams
    The Atomic Cafe
     
  3. Rain

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    I'm not trying to be difficult, but I totally don't get how "foreign" and "silent" are genres.

    I started doing up a list and found myself putting Seven Samurai under Action/Adventure, but then I noticed you have "foreign" as another genre, so I'm kind of confused as to how to reply.

    Am I allowed to decide what belongs in what "genre," since many films will fit into more than one?
     
  4. DonaldB

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    Rain's right, "foreign" and "silent" are hardly genres.

    All great films transcend genres and usually resist reductive classification.
     
  5. Alex Spindler

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    Action/Adventure
    Die Hard
    Leon : The Professional
    Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger
    Children/Family
    The Iron Giant
    Chicken Run
    Toy Story 2
    Comedy
    Big Lebowski
    Rushmore
    It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
    Drama
    Fight Club
    The Shawshank Redemption
    Traffic
    Horror
    Night of the Living Dead
    Hellraiser
    Evil Dead
    Mystery
    Vertigo
    The Usual Suspects
    Seven
    Science Fiction
    Invasion of the Body Snatchers
    The Thing (1988)
    Cube
    Anime
    Akira
    Macross : Do You Remember Love
    Serial Experiments : Lain
    There will, as expected, be genre disputes. I leave it up George to move any of my suggestions to the appropriate place.
     
  6. SteveGon

    SteveGon Executive Producer

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    George, good idea!
    As far as considering foreign and silent films to be separate genres, I don't have a problem with it. Of course, Rain and Donald are correct, but such films are generally classified separately so I'll play along. On that note, since war films are usually classified as a genre, shouldn't there be one here? Just a thought. [​IMG]
    Action/Adventure
    The Bridge on the River Kwai
    Enter the Dragon
    The Road Warrior

    Comedy
    His Girl Friday
    The Producers
    Raising Arizona

    Drama
    Do the Right Thing
    The Magnificent Ambersons
    The Sweet Hereafter

    Horror
    The Bride of Frankenstein
    Dawn of the Dead
    Psycho

    Mystery
    The Big Sleep '46
    Silence of the Lambs
    The Third Man

    Science Fiction
    Dark City
    Forbidden Planet
    The Thing (From Another World) '51

    Western
    The Gunfighter
    Once Upon a Time in the West
    Unforgiven

    Silent
    Battleship Potemkin
    The General
    The Passion of Joan of Arc

    Foreign Language
    Aguirre: The Wrath of God
    Rashomon
    Wings of Desire

    Documentary
    Dark Days
    Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse
    Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter Jr.
     
  7. DanaA

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    I'll try -
    Action/Adventure
    The Adventures of Robin Hood
    African Queen
    The Treasure of Sierra Madre
    Children
    A Little Princess
    Beauty and the Beast
    Snow White
    Comedy
    Dr. Strangelove (dark)
    It Happened One Night (romantic)
    A Night at the Opera
    Drama
    The Last Picture Show
    Godfather 1
    Citizen Kane
    Horror
    Rosemary's Baby
    The Exorcist
    Psycho
    Musical
    Cabaret
    West Side Story
    My Fair Lady
    Mystery
    Chinatown
    The 39 Steps
    The Conversation
    Science Fiction
    2001
    The Day the Earth Stood Still
    Forbidden Planet
    Western
    High Noon
    Red River
    Lonesome Dove
    Silent
    Passion of Joan of Arc
    Birth of a Nation
    The Gold Rush
    Foreign Language
    Grand Illusion
    Seven Samarai
    Seventh Seal
    Documentary
    The Civil War (Ken Burns)
    Baseball (Ken Burns)
    Roger and Me
    War Movies
    Apocalypse Now
    Glory
    All Quiet on the Western Front
     
  8. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    Rain & Donald,
    I think you need to keep in mind the spirit in which we're discussing genres. We're talking about 10 essential films of a certain type. Lots of people ask about foreign language films. Lots wonder about silents. Sure, these definitions are somewhat arbitrary, but I kind of doubt if someone looking for action films is really seeking out the Seven Samurai, or if someone asking about comedy is really seeking out The Gold Rush. More likely, people who'd appreciate and want those particular films would ask about silents or foreign language film.
    Again, we're no doubt going to have disagreements about this, and I will weigh people's opinions, but in the end I'll have to make a decision. But yes, for the type of lists we're looking at here, I'd have to consider the Seven Samurai a foreign language film.
    A similar argument BTW, can be made regarding music. World music really crosses all kinds of genres, but frankly, without it's own category, it's doubtful if any of it would make the other lists.
    As to war films, I thought about that, but thought they fit in pretty well in other genres. I don't want the number of genres to get to out of hand. We could have war films, film noir, monster movies, romance, etc., but most of those fit well in the other categories. The only real category I added was anime, because I felt people could reasonably argue that they didn't really fall into other categories (and would mostly get lumped by non-anime fans into children, which I didn't think they'd like [​IMG]).
     
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  10. DanaA

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    The only category I would think to add would be "war" movies in that I don't really feel comfortable adding them to action/adventure.

    Oops, I didn't notice someone posted this already.
     
  11. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

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    Well, I'm flexible. I'll add a category for war. This means that Dana A, Scott Weinberg and Steve Gon all have an additional action/adventure nomination.
    Current nominations (I'm leaving out The's and A's to make it easier to alphabetize):
    Action/Adventure:
    Adventures of Robin Hood
    Die Hard
    Enter the Dragon
    Leon : The Professional
    Raiders of the Lost Ark
    Road Warrior
    Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger
    Treasure of the Sierra Madre
    Children:
    Beauty and the Beast
    Chicken Run
    Iron Giant
    Little Princess
    Snow White
    Toy Story
    Toy Story 2
    Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
    Wizard of Oz
    Comedy:
    Airplane!
    Animal House
    Big Lebowski
    Dr. Strangelove
    His Girl Friday
    It Happened One Night
    It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
    Night at the Opera
    Producers
    Raising Arizona
    Rushmore
    Young Frankenstein
    Drama:
    Citizen Kane
    Do the Right Thing
    Fight Club
    Godfather
    Last Picture Show
    Magnificent Ambersons
    Schindler's List
    Shawshank Redemption
    Sweet Hereafter
    Traffic
    Horror:
    Alien
    Bride of Frankenstein
    Dawn of the Dead
    Evil Dead
    Exorcist
    Hellraiser
    Jaws
    Night of the Living Dead
    Psycho
    Rosemary's Baby
    Musical:
    Cabaret
    Grease
    My Fair Lady
    Sound of Music
    West Side Story
    Mystery:
    Big Sleep
    Chinatown
    Maltese Falcon
    Rear Window
    Seven
    Silence of the Lambs
    Third Man
    Usual Suspects
    Vertigo
    Science Fiction:
    2001: A Space Odyssey
    Blade Runner
    Cube
    Dark City
    Day the Earth Stood Still
    Forbidden Planet
    Invasion of the Body Snatchers
    Thing (1951)
    Thing (1988)
    Western:
    Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Gunfighter
    High Noon
    Lonesome Dove
    Once Upon a Time in the West
    Red River
    Unforgiven
    Wild Bunch
    Silent:
    Battleship Potemkin
    Birth of a Nation
    Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
    City Lights
    General
    Gold Rush
    Metropolis
    Passion of Joan of Arc
    Anime:
    Akira
    Macross : Do You Remember Love
    Serial Experiments : Lain
    Foreign
    Aguirre: The Wrath of God
    Grand Illusion
    Rashomon
    Seven Samarai
    Seventh Seal
    Wings of Desire
    Documentary:
    Atomic Cafe
    Dark Days
    Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse
    Hoop Dreams
    Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter Jr.
    Roger & Me
    War:
    African Queen
    Bridge on the River Kwai
     
  12. Rain

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    Alright, I'll try:
    Action/Adventure
    Raiders of the Lost Ark
    North by Northwest
    The African Queen
    Children
    Dumbo
    Pinnochio
    Mary Poppins
    Comedy
    Dr. Strangelove
    or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
    Annie Hall
    Duck Soup
    Drama
    Gone With the Wind
    Citizen Kane
    Casablanca
    Horror
    Night of the Living Dead
    The Invisible Man
    The Exorcist
    Musical
    Singin' in the Rain
    The Wizard of Oz
    A Hard Day's Night
    Mystery
    The Maltese Falcon
    Vertigo
    The Third Man
    Science Fiction
    2001: A Space Odyssey
    E.T. The Extra Terrestrial
    Star Wars
    Western
    The Searchers
    Stagecoach
    The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
    Silent
    The General
    Modern Times
    Sherlock Jr.
    Anime
    I don't know what that even means. :b
    Foreign Language
    Les Enfants du Paradis
    Berlin Alexanderplatz
    La Grande Illusion
    Documentary (I haven't seen enough of these)
    American Movie
    Startup.com
    The Last Waltz (boycott that one if you want, but I think it fits)
    War
    Platoon
    MASH
    Paths of Glory
    I have to tell you, though, if you asked me this again tomorrow, I may give some different answers.
     
  13. Matthew Chmiel

    Matthew Chmiel Cinematographer

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    Action/Adventure
    - Desperado
    - Terminator 2: Judgment Day
    - Reservoir Dogs
    Children
    - A Bug's Life
    - The Princess Bride
    - Shrek
    Comedy
    - Better Off Dead...
    - The Blues Brothers
    - Ghostbusters
    Drama
    - Awakenings
    - Goodfellas
    - Requiem for a Dream
    Horror
    - Deep Red
    - Phenomena
    - Suspiria
    Musical
    - Hair
    - Hedwig and the Angry Inch
    - The Rocky Horror Picture Show
    Mystery
    - 12 Angry Men
    - Memento
    - L.A. Confidential
    Science Fiction
    - Brazil
    - Donnie Darko
    - Gattaca
    Western
    - Little Big Man
    - Rio Grande
    - Shane
    Silent
    - The General
    - Greed
    - Metropolis
    Anime
    - Ghost in the Shell
    - My Neighbor Totoro
    - Princess Mononoke
    Foreign Language
    - Battle Royale
    - Princess and the Warrior
    - Run Lola Run
    Documentary
    - The Big One
    - Celluloid Closet
    - Crumb
    War
    ehhhh [​IMG]
     
  14. Bill J

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    Action/Adventure
    Raiders of the Lost Ark
    The African Queen
    Lawrence of Arabia
    Drama
    The Godfather
    Citizen Kane
    Schindler's List
    Horror
    Psycho
    Jaws
    The Exorcist
    Mystery
    The Maltese Falcon
    Vertigo
    The Conversation
    Science Fiction
    2001: A Space Odyssey
    Dark City
    Day the Earth Stood Still
    Western
    Unforgiven
    Shane
    The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
    Silent
    Nosferatu
    Metropolis
    The General
    Foreign Language
    Das Boot
    The Seven Samurai
    Les Enfants du Paradis
    Documentary
    Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse
    Hoop Dreams
    For All Mankind
    War
    Apocalypse Now
    Paths of Glory
    The Thin Red Line (1998)
     
  15. Miles_P

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    Here are mine

    Action/Adventure:

    Die Hard (Yippee Ki-aaa mutherf*****)

    The Rock (What do you want me to kill him again?)

    Independence Day (I've gotta get me one of these)

    Children:

    Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

    Empires New Groove

    Aladdin

    The Jungle Book ( I wanna walk you talk like you)

    Comedy:

    Animal House

    Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels

    The Rocky Horror Picture Show

    Drama:

    Fight Club

    Shawshank Redemption

    To Kill A Mockingbird

    Horror:

    Alien (Grease this ratf**k S.O.B.)

    The Shining (Here's Johnny)

    Jaws

    Musical:

    Fiddler On The Roof (I wish I was a rich man)

    Grease

    Guys and Dolls

    Moulin Rouge

    Mystery:

    Seven

    Silence of the Lambs

    Rear Window

    Science Fiction:

    Fifth Element (Not with out my permision)

    12 Monkeys

    Blade Runner

    Anime:

    Princess Mononoke

    Ghost in the Shell

    Akira

    Foreign Language:

    Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

    The Legend

    Seven Samurai

    Documentary:

    Trinity and Beyond

    Triumph of the Will

    When We Were Kings

    Western:

    Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Blonde)

    Unforgiven

    Fist Full of Dollars

    The Searchers (Like H3ll you will)

    War:

    Saving Private Ryan

    Dirty Dozen

    Apocalypse Now

    Kelly's Heroes
     
  16. Patrick McCart

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    Action/Adventure:

    Ben-Hur

    Lawrence of Arabia

    The Fellowship of the Ring

    Children:

    Yellow Submarine

    Dumbo

    Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

    Comedy:

    Modern Times

    The Producers

    Arsenic and Old Lace

    Drama:

    Citizen Kane

    Amadeus

    The Godfather

    Horror:

    Nosferatu: A Symphony of Horror (1922)

    Frankenstein

    Psycho

    Musical:

    The Wizard of Oz

    West Side Story

    Moulin Rouge

    Mystery:

    The Old Dark House

    North By Northwest

    Notorious

    Science Fiction:

    Star Wars

    Metropolis (1927)

    Close Encounters of the Third Kind

    Western:

    Blazing Saddles

    The Searchers

    Stagecoach

    Silent

    Sunrise

    Napoleon

    City Lights

    Anime:

    n/a (I have yet to see anime worth noting here)

    Foreign Language:

    8 1/2

    Documentary:

    Woodstock

    Triumph of the Will

    The Boys From Termite Terrace (Miniseries about the golden age Warner Bros. cartoon staff)

    War:

    All Quiet on the Western Front

    Schindler's List

    Patton
     
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    Action
    Raiders of the Lost Ark
    Reservoir Dogs
    Jaws
    Children
    Toy Story
    A Bug's Life
    Snow White
    Comedy
    Dr. Strangelove
    Annie Hall
    Bob Roberts
    Drama
    Taxi Driver
    Nashville
    Raging Bull
    Science Fiction
    2001: A Space Odyssey
    Blade Runner
    A Clockwork Orange
    Foreign Language
    8 1/2
    Seventh Seal
    Andrei Rublev
    Documentary
    Dont Look Back
    American Movie
    Gimme Shelter
    War
    Paths of Glory
    Apocalypse Now
    I'll hate some of my picks tomorrow, and I realized a lot of my choices have already been nominated.
     
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    Action/Adventure
    Deliverance
    Duel
    Goldfinger
    Children
    Cinderella
    Peter Pan
    Sleeping Beauty
    Comedy
    The Graduate
    The Jerk
    A Shot in the Dark
    Drama
    It's A Wonderful Life
    The Manchurian Candidate
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
    Horror
    Evil Dead II
    Halloween
    The Haunting
    Musical
    The Music Man
    Yankee Doodle Dandy
    Mystery
    Charade
    Laura
    The Thin Man
    Science Fiction
    Back to the Future
    Planet of the Apes
    Terminator 2: Judgment Day
    Western
    Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
    Dances With Wolves
    The Naked Spur
    Silent
    The Phantom of the Opera
    Documentary
    Harlan County, U.S.A.
    Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills
    The Thin Blue Line
    War
    The Great Escape
    Spartacus
    Stalag 17
     
  19. SteveGon

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    Okay, here's my final nomination for A/A plus my remaining two for War:
    Action/Adventure
    Gunga Din
    War
    A Midnight Clear
    Twelve O'Clock High
     
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