- Oct 6, 2020
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Agreed. Too many folks won't let go of the past and try to find everything they can wrong with things like new tech.
This page has the ratings for last year's Great Pumpkin airing: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/the-sked-tuesday-network-scorecard-10-22-2019.html and http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/the-sked-sunday-network-scorecard-10-27-2019.html for the one hour Sunday airing.Without those 3 Peanut specials, ABC is going to take a big dip in ratings; those 3 specials have always brought in big numbers with each airing and usually winning that nights primetime viewings across multiple stations and networks.
That's not what this is about. You stream. I stream. Most of us here on this board stream. It's not about us.Too many folks won't let go of the past and try to find everything they can wrong with things like new tech.
I don't get the anger at Apple. It was the rights holder who made the deal. We don't know if ABC was interested in renewing the deal or not. We don't know if any of the other broadcast networks were interested. There was no news of a bidding war for the Peanuts specials, ABC, being a part of Disney, has access to many holiday programs which they control. Maybe the felt they didn't need Peanuts or the asking price to renew was too high. Clearly there was some thought that this would upset people so they are allowing the specials to be viewed for a short period without subscribing to Apple+. Is this perfect? No there are still many who will not be able to watch these specials. Its too bad they didn't announce last year that the shows were leaving ABC. I assume they didn't know as it probably would have increased ratings.I don't think ABC has anything to do with any of it. I'm sure they'd love to still be showing the specials.
This is with the rights-holder of the specials trying to make money and apparently Apple was willing to pay the most.
Because it's still a source for news, sports, weather, and entertainment for millions of people every day.
And it's a number that has been getting smaller and smaller since the 1980s and is never going to get bigger again. Under those circumstances, it's a wonder Mendelson didn't take his business somewhere else sooner since he had no trouble licensing the rights to non-holiday specials to multiple cable channels and home video companies.Because it's still a source for news, sports, weather, and entertainment for millions of people every day.
Yes, but the reality is, streaming having become a "replacement" technology and our neato-honeymoon with it over and now becoming a common fact of life, we're moving from Luddite poo-poo'ing of streaming, to the experienced voice of burned-customer paranoia and mistrust that streaming (and the "greedy" studios/companies behind them) is going to double-cross us in the end. For every Disney+ Mandalorian fanboy, there are three or four complaining about the lack of content diversity and ignoring of vintage catalog, and planning to drop the service to experiment with others.It's just where the media has moved on to. The days of little plastic discs to watch media on and poo pooing streaming are almost behind us and I feel bad for those that won't embrace the next step in home entertainment.
Have the Peanuts specials been IN print for the last few years?I would say it's a run on the product similar to the Gone With the Wind incident except for the fact that it isn't that big a story, and I think stock may have been depleted for some time now and no one noticed. So my guess is that yes the Peanuts specials are going out-of-print on disc for the foreseeable future.
To add to this a little bit. I love the Great Pumpkin and watch it every year. As a matter of fact, I streamed it last night and enjoyed the hell out of it. The “city” I moved from this year only got broadband internet 10 years ago and there’s no competition so it’s very slow, way overpriced, and mostly offline so streaming anything there is a 50/50 gamble that usually doesn’t pay off. If I lived there today, there’s a good chance that I wouldn’t be able to watch the Great Pumpkin since it’s not available on broadcast or satellite. I really love Apple as a company but I think this was a misguided step that is going to cause them a lot of heat.It's not about those of us here who stream and/or own the discs lacking access. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But I don't think @Osato's reaction is extreme at all. You just don't seem to understand why the rest of us think this is an issue.
The point, as I tried to explain to you yesterday, is that having these on broadcast television provides wider potential access than any streaming service. I'm guessing from the content of your posts that you probably do a lot of streaming, which is great if it is something that you like and value. But just because it's up there for free for a short window of time does not mean that it will reach the same level of audience on the streaming service that it would have had it continued to air on network television. There are people who simply don't stream, or who can't afford the equipment and/or high speed internet access required to do so. Those folks are going to lose out for the foreseeable future without making a disc purchase or rental, and that is unfortunate.
Christmas debuted in 1965, Great Pumpkin in 1966 and Thanksgiving in 1973. They have aired on network television consistently every year since, first on CBS through 1999 and then on ABC starting in 2000. This will be the first year since I've been alive that the shows are not on broadcast television. I have the discs now, so I can and will watch them at my leisure, but that is still very strange and sad. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it. It's a big deal for them to be gone from broadcast.
I don't see any problem with Apple controlling the subscription streaming rights. But I do think it is unfortunate that they took it exclusively. I understand why they would want that, but it's too bad that the licensors chose not to grant a broadcast window as to a network as well. There is a big difference between Apple paying to produce new Peanuts content which is behind their paywall (which they do) and hoarding the existing classic specials. I'd love to know what price Apple shelled out in order to get that exclusivity.
If streaming had existed when these specials were originally made in the way that it does now, and they had never aired on broadcast television at all, they would not have had anywhere near as much cultural impact and resonance as they have enjoyed over the years as network television staples. This is a great deal for whoever accepted Apple's bid for exclusivity because they undoubtably got a whole bundle of money. But I think that it is a particularly shortsighted long-term decision for the future audience size and commercial value of the specials. If they are not on broadcast television for several years, and then the owners wish to take them out to networks again when Apple's exclusivity runs out, they might not be able to command as much. Their disappearance from network TV will have meant that the holiday season traditions of watching these specials will have bene broken as a result of their absence, and once you break a ritual it could be very difficult to bring people back to it later. So, overall I think this isa very bad move for the long-term health of the brand and the specials.
I really don't get the hate towards Apple on this one.I really love Apple as a company but I think this was a misguided step that is going to cause them a lot of heat.
Their licensing agreement is for streaming rights. If the owners of Peanuts would allow Apple to dictate what they can sell on physical media, they're crazy, because that cuts off an additional revenue stream for them.My guess is that Apple won't allow any new discs to be printed under their new licensing agreement.
I don't know Jake, if Apple offered someone ten times what a broadcast partner could afford, does that make them a "bad guy" for accepting the offer? The old saying goes, everyone has a price. What this leads to are monopolies by the giants. Buying the rights to franchises, is kind of like buying out your competition. That’s why so many people hate Disney. Personally I don’t have a problem with any of it. As long as the content is still available somewhere, I’m good.It seems to me that the "bad guys" here (for lack of a better term) are not Apple, but the licensors. They could have chosen to go with a broadcast partner. They decided not to do that. That's not on Apple. That's on them.
No. It was poor wording on my part. That's why I said "for lack of a better term" because I couldn't think of a more appropriate one. But it ultimately does make the licensors responsible for deciding where the specials will air. They aren't bad guys, but I think they made a bad call. So if people are going to be mad at a particular entity, be mad at the ones who accepted this deal. Apple is not at fault for making the best offer they could.I don't know Jake, if Apple offered someone ten times what a broadcast partner could afford, does that make them a "bad guy" for accepting the offer?