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No 4K release for Gone With The Wind's 80th Anniversary?

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Ken Koc, Aug 29, 2019.

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  1. roxy1927

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    I saw GWTW in the Jersey suburbs at Christmas of '68. It had played a year roadshow before which was amazing for a film almost 30. The print was a 35mm analogue print. It was like seeing it in Panavision. It was the first time seeing it so that was the way the film was supposed to look. And after subsequent views when I finally saw it in its original configuration I was like where's the rest of the film? As I said the 70mm prints made the rounds through the early to mid '70. After the original 70mm run at the Rivoli it played it twice in the 70s. I assume when the film went into wide release in '68 all the prints were in 35mm analogue and all in the splendor of wide screen.
     
  2. Ken Koc

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    It's the actual biggest money maker of all time, yet Warner will not restore to todays standards?
     
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    There's stuff in the Blu ray that already look terrible. Like the vanishing coaches riding into Twelve Oaks ( they're disappearing into a matte). This stuff will be even worse in 4k. No way to fix it.
     
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    I would this like title on 4K disc, but even I don't understand your comment about it not being restore to today's standards.
     
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    One would have to essentially change the film. At that point, it would no longer be the Best Picture of 1939.
     
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    I don't understand if TWOO can get a 4K/Dolby Vision release then why not this 1939 film. You telling me that the film stock makes that much difference from the same production year?
     
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    They may be from the same year, but they are very different productions. As I understand it, any gains from upgrading GWTW to 4K would be mainly offset by deficiencies that would become apparent due to the nature of the production (such as film stock, lower light cinematography, and number of matte shots).

    I'm happy enough with the BR as my display is only a 46" LCD, and I still well remember the old days of VHS and laserdisc. I'm also 50 years old and I'm not sure my eyes are 4K-capable.

     
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    I'm 61 and my eyes are most definitely "4K capable." You're fine!
     
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    Robert Crawford

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    So are my 61+ eyes.:)
     
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    I think Robert's cat has been walking on his laptop again...
     
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    4K standards as Wizard of Ox is being honored with a 4K release.
     
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    That means replacing Gable with a CG character...
     
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    Let's address the elephants in the room here: available film elements and resolution, not to mention colour. GTTW was just about destroyed by the 70mm "conversion" process. Elements intercut here, there and everywhere with the OCN. The process shots have already been addressed, with the attendant loss of resolution with any optical process, since such shots are generations away from the OCN. As RAH has already pointed out, GTTW's current form might not even make it to 2K resolution, much less 4K resolution, which leaves the remaining elements of UHD: HDR, WCG and HLG. As far as HDR goes, you cannot squeeze anymore contrast range out of a 1939 film with as many opticals as GTTW, and may not even be able to get anything out of TWOO. The contrast range drops with every generation. As for WCG, we are limited by the technology used, being early 3-strip Technicolor; even if an Ultra-Resolution master was possible here, the colour range is necessarily limited by all facets of technology [resolution of B&W film at the time, amount of light available on set, camera optics]. As for HLG, we're back to contrast, which has already been explained.

    Tl;dr: an 80th anniversary edition might be nice, but don't fool yourself into thinking a 4K UHD disc is necessary.
     
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    I'm sure it will come after Wizard of Oz gets released.
     
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    I’m unaware of any OCN cutting affected by the 70mm release.

    And to make the point again, biggest problem are dupes combing mattes with production footage. Dye transfer prints, especially 1939-47, were notoriously soft, hiding a multitude of sins. Take that away, and one opens a veritable Pandora’s Box.
     
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    It does seem silly to demand ultra high resolution softness.....
     
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    I thought the only cuts made to the negative after the fact were for a few shots hard-matted to 1.85:1 for a 1950s reissue.
     
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    You are correct, MatthewA, the only cuts made to the negative were for the 1954 "wide-screen" reframing with Perspecta Sound.
     
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    Went to a theater in Pacific Palisades to see GWTW last night because they were supposedly showing it in 35mm. When the audience was seated, we were told that during a "quality check" the theater deemed the print faulty and we were therefore treated to the same digital print that has been showing for years.

    I have a couple questions regarding the digital print being shown. I had seen DCPs of the film when they first came out, but, since the Fathom Entertainment release, I could swear the print looks different. The color timing seems more brownish - almost sepia like, at times. Does anyone know if any changes have been made? The skin tones seemed more reddish before in the first DCPs.
     

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