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Discussion in 'Gaming' started by Peter Kim, Aug 7, 2003.
Virtual Boy SP!
Just read the linked article in Mike's thread:
They need to address the Gamecube situation; not just wait 2.5 years for a successor.
Michael, What would you suggest they do to "save the Gamecube" as many people suggest? The only thing I could think of would be to get an exclusive deal with someone like Rockstar. My hope is that the new product is their new console and GB. Make the whole console portable from day one. Play your games at home or on the road, anytime. I think that might have been where they were going with the connectivity stuff with the GBA... but that's just a thought. That would compete with Sony directly with the handheld, plus if the specs are right it could compete in the home environment as well. Who knows? Glen
Not making the drive able to use DVD's was insanity. What the hell were they thinking? So many people bought the PS2 to do double duty as a DVD player. They really shot themselves in the foot on that one. It's always something; using the cartridge system on N64, etc. Not automatically having jacks for the Gameboy on the Gamecube, etc. I hope that they don't go out like Sega. (RIP!)
They could announce a new console that is BB-online enabled from the get-go, has more HD-type stuff support (5.1, etc.), is still tiny, has GBA connectivity, plays GameCube games, and also has more features that will play better looking/sounding games. Combine that with a low price and they could do some damage. If that happens. Rumor has it (this rumor is from around E3) that their next console will be out winter 2004.
Sounds like a Super-Ultra Megaton announcement is on the way! -Dave
So if Nintendo is going to surprise the world with Gamecube2, or whatever they call it, next year don't they run the risk of being the next Dreamcast? A year earlier than PS3 & Xbox2, but a year less of hardware power & hype. Sure, they can build up a user base on the expectation that Nintendo fans will rush out to buy the new-NextGen Mario/Zelda/Metroid/etc. just because it's a Nintendo game. But unless they bring something really new to the table, Sony is going to blow right past them again with the PS3
I wasn't saying that the Dreamcast was a failure, just that for the majority of people it was easily overlooked. The people who knew and wanted the usual Sega quality picked the system up & bought the games as they came out. For the rest of the world, it was easy to wait a year and pick up the more powerful & more popular PS2. Nintendo's mouthpieces speak with a lot of rhetoric. For the past year or so, they have repeated that "next time" they will be launching at the same time as Sony and things will be different. But if they're just going to rehash Mario/et al for the launch titles they won't sway anyone from picking up a PS3 when that comes out. A new Nintendo system, especially one that looks to beat the competition out of the gate, had better be something really special.
I don't care what anyone says, big N is behind the 8 ball and now struggling to keep in the game at all. The GBA and SP are fantastic prodcts, but GC is just a total failure. If it had more 3rd party support (or would have more in next year or so) it could have made it, but expecting consumers to wait 3-6 months for the next N game is just a terrible business plan. My prediction is the same as always: in the next generation you will be playing Mario and Zelda on your PS3 and XBox2 machines, nintendo WILL go Sega. The reasoning here is simple. GBA SP and software sales keep big N afloat right now, what happens when Sony threatens that market in 1-2 years? Do you think big N will still want to prop up a dying console or new launch console while it's bread and butter is being whittled away. No, if they have even an ounce of business sense they will dump consoles althogether and focus on software sales and continued domination in the handheld market. If they try to fight sony on the console side and the handheld side, while also fending off MS' deep pockets, they will cease to exist in the next gen. It's simply a matter of economics. Those of you who love N and it's games should write to them and tell them to ditch the GC now, as it is only going to get worse for the big N. If you want to keep seeing those great Nintendo titles on consoles, don't let their pride put them out of business completely. Nothing new really, writting has been on the wall for at least a year to anyone that allows themselves to read it...
but GC is just a total failure They have sold roughly the same number of consoles [9.4 million or so] as Microsoft. Is the Xbox also a total failure? The Cube has sold less than projected but saying it's a total failure is a bit harsh.
I keep hearing that Nintendo needs to improve its third-party support. I believe this is nonsense. The fact of the matter is that Nintendo's third party support for the GameCube has far exceeded the support the N64 received. Granted, that's not hard to do, but look at Romier's post above. Pretty much all of the high-profile, cross-platform games have come out on all three systems, and that includes Nintendo's console. The problem is that people are buying these games for the PS2 and Xbox instead of for the GCN. The question you all should be asking yourselves is why these games aren't selling as well for the GCN as they are for the PS2 or Xbox. In the case of the PS2, the answer is quite obvious. The PS2 has the largest user base by far out of all three consoles. More hardware sold will naturally lead to bigger software sales. The tougher question lies with why more people choose to get these games on the Xbox rather than on the GameCube. I won't speak for everyone, but for me, the Xbox versions usually include 480p support (something many third-party GCN games don't), DD 5.1, and possibly online play as well as downloadable content. In short, the Xbox versions often times offer a more complete package than their GameCube counterparts. I suspect that many others feel the same way as me.