Ninja Turtles 3/15/2003

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  1. Dan Rudolph

    Dan Rudolph Producer

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    In this episode, Leonardo said somethign implying that they live by the Bushido code. Isn't this for samurai? Among other things, it prohibits striking an opponent who isn't ready, which is anathema to how ninjas operate. Any insight?
     
  2. Phil Florian

    Phil Florian Screenwriter

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    They are turtles...teenage turtles, at that. They live by the Bushi-d'oh! code. Or more like "Do as thou will." Teenagers...feh.


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  3. Joe Szott

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    Dan,

    I'm not an expert in this, but I did take Aikido for 5 years and study a little Japanese culture on the side. I think the term "Ninjas" for the TMNT turtles isn't really appropriate and was just a throw around word back in the 80s when it was created. So it is basically just an inappropriate name for them.

    The samurai Bushido code or code of the warrior is closer to our western idea of chivalry than any other comparision. The difference is that the Chivalric code is for the individual and Bushido stresses service to your lord. So although a Knight would consider it a sin to slaughter innocent farmers for his king's gain (by our code), the Samurai would consider it more offensive to not carry out that order (by their code.) For them service and honor are joined at the hip. Both codes are rooted in compassion and honor, the cultures just define those two terms in totally separate ways.

    Ronin are Samurai who were dishonored either by: their lord dying (not of natural causes), or they failed to complete an order and were cast out by their lord. Ronin typically still live by the Bushido code, but it is sort of an oxy-moron because they have no lord to serve anymore.

    Ninjitsu is almost a separate entity altogether. They don't have a Bushido type code, they are only assasins that will use anything possible to their advantage. Samurai and Ronin despised Ninjas (because they were dishonorable) and would kill them on sight (even if they weren't sent to kill them.)

    Since the TMNT turtles are really warriors and not assasins, they would more accurately be called "Teenage Mutant Ronin Turtles." You could also argue that Splinter is their lord and therefore they are "Tennage Mutant Samurai Turtles", but they seem to have more of a master/student or father/sons relationship than a lord/vassal vibe. Plus, if Splinter asked them to say, salughter April for him, they would probably have a pretty huge problem with that.

    Anyway, that's my 2c, used to love the original comic books...
     
  4. Jeff Jacobson

    Jeff Jacobson Cinematographer

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    For more info on Samurai, Bushido, Ronin, etc., you should check out Usagi Yojimbo comics. (The TMNT have made guest appearances in a few UY comics, too.)
     
  5. Dan Rudolph

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    Although Splinter has been drilling into them the importance of not being seen, which is a ninja thing.
     

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