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NIGHT/CURSE OF THE DEMON...Coming Soon From Indicator

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Dick, Jul 31, 2018.

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  1. John Hodson

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    I'm pretty certain all the cuts include equal amounts of the dreaded demon. You might find this post interesting from one of the chaps working on the release.
     
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    William K. Everson, in his Classics of the Horror Film writes:
    The Night of the Demon, likewise intelligently scripted, goes to the other extreme of showing its Monster. Luckily, its Demon is such a lulu that it lives up to the fearsome descriptions of it (something that most movie Monsters do not). Tourneur, in later interviews, claims that it was never his intention to show the Demon, that he had wanted to follow the pattern of his Lewton films and merely suggest it, and that its graphic physical depiction was included at the insistence of the producer, who wanted real meat in his film. Tourneur made no such protests at the time of release, however, and one wonders whether these latter-day protestations are entirely genuine. Certainly the construction of the film, and the scenes in which the Demon's presence is undeniably felt, even when not visible, leave no doubt at all as to the creature's existence. The whole point of the film, in fact, is not that horrors can be created within the mind, but that some horrors are so unthinkable, that the mind must deny them in order to retain its sanity. The final line of the film--the time-honored "There are some things it is better not to know!"--comes after a materialization of the Demon, which is ambiguous only to those who want it to be ambiguous.
     
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    Don’t get me wrong, I do like the depiction of the Demon...until at the very end when he’s seen in full figure and looks like he’s holding a doll. That doesn’t work for me. I wish that reactions shots only had been used.
     
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    Several years back I began to be wary of information in Widescreen Review reviews when they complained that the print used for the transfer of Hitchcock's Rope appeared to have damage: there were a number of hard cuts, instead of it being one long uninterrupted shot... Someone didn't do their (very simple) research.
     
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    Not sure what you are getting at? I understand the Hitchcock did have several cuts in the film but when edited,the film was made to look like one continuous shot from start to finish. It would have been impossible to film ROPE with one continuous shot.
     
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    No, there are hard cuts at projector reel changes. Within each projector reel there is a disguised cut between camera rolls, as the camera passes behind a character's back, etc. My guess is that they didn't want to rely on absolute precision on the projectionist's part at reel changes, which would be required to avoid a jump of several frames forward or backward.
     
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    There is a cut in Rope to a closeup of Jimmy Stewart but by that point in the movie no one is paying attention to the technique any more so they don't notice.
     
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    I think the point isn't the Rope or Hitchcock but the reliability of some sources. Regarding Dr No

    Josh Zyber ,High Def Digest:
    "The 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 transfer is presented in the film's proper 1.66:1 aspect ratio with small pillarbox bars on the sides of the frame."

    Ralph Potts, AVS Forum.
    "Correctly framed at 1.66:1 with thin black bars either side, and encoded at 1080P using the MPEG4 system, this film could have been made yesterday.

    Cameron Yee, HTF:
    " The film is correctly framed at 1.66:1, encoded in AVC and devoid of blemishes."
     
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    Contemporary reviews are useless.

    Only trust the primary source documents...
     
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    You're not gonna win this, Bob - you're being played :)
     
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    From Boxoffice: the Exhibitors Bible

    Bond Dr. No April 1 1963.JPG
     
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    Pardon my ignorance but unless a film is hard matted, isn't it possible for a film to be shown in different ratios in different countries? While 1.66 and 1.75 were popular in European films, 1.85 seemed the aspect ratio for non scope films in the U.S. BoxOffice was an exhibitor magazine for U.S. cinemas, no? Since Dr. No was a 1962 British film (not released in the U.S. till the next year) is it possible the intended ratio for British cinema was 1.66 while 1.85 for U.S. cinemas? Not attempting to throw shade on Mr. Furmanek's summation, just throwing it out there.
     
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    I'm not playing him,I'm supporting his point. I'd say that it would be tough to show how right he is any more than my previous post.
     
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    Thanks again !
     
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    Thomas, the hard-matting is simply for protection.

    Since the mid-fifties, the most common AR in the UK was 1.75.

    As Doug R mentioned, Kinematograph Weekly specifically lists 1.85 as the intended ratio during principal photography of the first three Bond films.

    Doug, can you please share a scan of that page?
     
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    Yes, I should have done so earlier:

    Dr No.
     
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    Then perhaps "Housekeeping" will be released by Twilight Time after all.
     
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    Used to own a 1.33 open matte 16mm print of CURSE OF THE DEMON. Some shots here and there looked OK but the bulk of the print had way way too much headroom.

    Looking forward to the 1.85 Blu-ray. At least here's hoping it is.
     
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    I hope they go back to the original elements for the Bond flicks and redo them in the correct aspect ratio, those titles should all be released on blu ray and UHD, there are numerous issues for many of them.

    Anyways that is for a different thread.

    I am interested in this release but for those in the know can you tell me if the original negative was scanned at 2k, i am not impressed by the French release and wish to own a better edition.
     
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    The 96-minute version of NOTD - as said in the specs - will hail from the Bfi 2k restoration of 2013. I believe the French edition comes from a rather older HD master supplied by Sony.
     
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