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  1. Lou Sytsma

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    OK Ron and Chris and whomever is attending there is only 1 question to be asked:[​IMG]
    Is the presentation you are going to see going to be totally digital? ie a DLP projector? [​IMG]
     
  2. Seth Paxton

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    I hope Ron is doing the AOTC review because I totally agreed with his Phantom Menace review and see his Star Wars perspective as being similar to mine.

    If the film plays well to him it would certainly increase my interest.
     
  3. Terrell

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    I don't even remember a TPM review from Ron. What was his review?
     
  4. Ronald Epstein

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  5. Terrell

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    Thanks Ron![​IMG] Me thinks Ron won't like the CGI in AOTC either, because there's a lot in it also.[​IMG] Good review Ron. I'd agree on most points. The CGI wasn't what fell flat for me. This movie could have been great regardless of the amount of CGI. The problems as I see it were Jar-Jar's silliness, Jake Lloyd's performance, some lifeless acting from many of the other actors, and the silly two-headed announcer, and a somewhat unexciting story. Also, the movie was a series of meetings. It lacked any real sense of danger or emotion. In my opinion, it was a good movie that I really enjoyed, but not a great movie. But upon further viewings, those are my honest complaints. So Ron and I are pretty much on the same page.
    Here's hoping Ron loves AOTC. But we already know there's a lot of CGI.
     
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    Yah...that's a damn good review (that I had never read before), Ron. I agree with you on every point, and like Seth and Terrell, I will be anxiously awaiting your E2 review.
     
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    Interesting review. The first time I read Ron’s review of TPM, however I already knew his opinion on the movie. Reading the review, from start to the middle, it sounded like another politically correct review that is afraid to say how mediocre the movie is (because of personal interests), but not true. Starting from the middle, it points out well the problems and catches up. However you had one wrong prediction. [​IMG]
     
  8. Terrell

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  9. Sam Davatchi

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    I agree with Terrell on the CG. I don’t believe that the amount of the CG effects was the problem with TPM. Ron points out well the problems but I think that the cause of them was something else.

    Can’t wait to read the Episode II review. Ron, can you be more precise it’s on what day?
     
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    This week we will see the real first reviews of the completed movie. To this day, the earlier opinions were all based on the unfinished movie.
     
  11. Ron-P

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    That is a good review. Hadn't read it until now. I agree on several points including:
     
  12. Terrell

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    I can't. I'll take the CGI over wooden acting anyday. These films are just gonna have a lot of CGI. There's no way around it. Give me a good, interesting story, good acting, exciting action, and human emotion and drama, and I'll take CGI all day long.....especially when it's damn good CGI.

    I'm of the opinion that effects never sink a movie. It's an uninteresting story, or unconvincing acting. Looking back on the originals, some of the effects look quite bad. Certainly those effects were far ahead of their time. But even with those effects, it still doesn't hurt the films one bit. It was the story, the characters, the actors, and the emotion and drama that made them great, in my opinion.
     
  13. Sam Davatchi

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  14. Chuck Mayer

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    Effects can hinder a film like TPM (or AOTC), IMO. TPM's weaknesses, specifically the acting and overall feel, were made more glaring by the artificial environment it was set in. I enjoy TPM, but oftentimes it feels like a demonstration, not a story. Ron's review was quite accurate. I don't think he disliked the CGI, quality OR quantity...he merely felt that CGI overwhelmed the human aspects of the story...the aspects an audience is most likely to attach to. Did CGI 'ruin' the experience, no. Did it underscore the flaws, I think so. Ron's review is eagerly awaited, and I expect good things on this end. I think the good actors involved in AOTC will bring the life needed to the tale[​IMG]
    Take care,
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    I feel that it's Lucas job to push his actor's more. So I don't blame the CGI. I didn't think the CGI made it a film that didn't live up to the hype. Lucas didn't push his actors enough. He also didn't create any real sense of danger in the film, something he did a great job with in the originals. The film also lacked the emotion and drama from the originals.

    The actors are probably more comfortable this time around with the blue screen work.
     
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    Hi Ron:

    I remember when your review of the Phantom Menace first came out and you appeared on "Entertainment Tonight" in 1999, you were not too happy? I don't remember all the details. What was the reason for your discontent back then? Was it that Entertainment Tonight only chose to air the positive things you said about the movie and not the negative?

    Wasn't there like a sound bite or a video clip of that placed in this forum? I think I remember hearing it.

    Thanks for the info Ron. I look forward to your review of the upcoming Episode 2.

    Carlos
     
  17. Ronald Epstein

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    Guys, first of all, I never said that I
    was reviewing Episode II this week [​IMG]
    To be honest, I hated Phantom Menace the
    moment I saw it. I actually was kind to the
    film only because of my relationship with Fox DVD.
    I didn't want to come out and say it was a
    horrible film.
    Times have changed. The studios must realize
    that reviewer's opinions are nothing personal.
    That review, even in its kinder tone, garned
    so much hate mail for me from people who hadn't
    even seen the film and yet thought I was an a-hole
    for putting down a Star Wars movie.
    Of course, many people soon came to realize that
    Phantom Menace was the worst Star Wars film
    of them all.
    As far as ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT is concerned....
    They interviewed me after I left the screening.
    I told them "It looks like Star Wars, It tastes
    like Star Wars but it ain't Star Wars. It was not
    a good film". They took my soundbite and broadcast
    everything up through "It tastes like Star Wars"
    and ommitted the bad stuff.
    It was then that I realized that ENTERTAINMENT
    TONIGHT is nothing but a hype show that does not
    represent real opinions. That theory was later
    confirmed when I saw Leonard Maltin raving about
    the movie in his EI review.
    If I have the opportunity to screen
    Attack Of The Clones, trust that it will
    be very honest and very critical.
     
  18. Terrell

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    Hmm, since Ron has already reviewed Spiderman, and the only other MAJOR theatrical release upcoming is AOTC, I'm wondering what other movie could it be.
    Let's hope the review is not too critical Ron.[​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG]
    Duh, Guys! We all know that Ron is going to be reviewing J.Lo's new conquest of the silver screen in "Enough."
     

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