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On Jan 1 of this year, I went from a 32" Tube Tv to a 47" 1080P, 120 Hz LED HDTV. I figured it's time to get a good sound system to go along with it. After doing a lot of research, I have come up with a few options. I currently live in an apartment, but hope to buy a real house later this year, so I want something decent enough that it will be good for a mid size to large room for the future. All of that said, I have heard ok to good things about the Onkyo HT-S5500, but read others say to buy a refrubished Onkyo HT-S7409 instead. I have also researched and am thinking about buying a separate 7.1 or 7.2 receiver (hopefully a refrubed one under $300) and looking at starting off with a 5.1 Speaker set, such as the Jamo S 426 HCS 3 WENGE 5-Piece Home Theater System and a Polk Audio PSW10 10-Inch or Monoprice 12". Though this setup is really pushing the budget I have set forth. I just don't feel like I know enough to really make a informed/intelligent decision... I know I could go with the S5500 and I'd probably be really happy, it would be cheaper, but at the same time, I'm really intrigued about piecing a system together, with higher quality (at least I'm told they are much higher quality) components and having something that sounds much better. I also fear that what I am trying to do will end up costing too much or isn't compatible with one another. Hopefully someone else can set me straight... Thanks!
 

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The main issue with "pre-package systems" is the speakers suck. There is no getting around it. The 7409 speakers are inept...and small. The Jamo Wenge(means the color) just didn't sell well...and Klipsch is dumping all the "before we bought it" Jamo stuff. The closest Onkyo to the one included in the 5500 is the NR515. The NR515 with the Jamo speakers(you can even add a sub later) will run circles around the 5500...mainly cause the speakers suck. Nothing wrong with the AVR.
 

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Now are these speakers better? Monoprice 9774 and they come with the sub. Now they don't sell individual satellites, but I'm thinking that other satellites would fill in nicely... Is there better speaker systems than the two that I am looking at for the price? Do I have to match the impedance and watts to the receiver?
 
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The receiver should have an impedance range from like 6-16 or something like that, make sure the speakers fall within that range. From what i have learned, the "wattage" specs on the reciever are hard to judge and its not an apples to apples comparison, because they can measure the wattage with less channels driven and lower impedance speakers and get the "wattage" rating higher. Keep in mind the whole "total system wattage" is a bunch of bogus marketing cheesiness. ( if you buy a HTIB) Im actually putting together a budget system right now, its going to be an Onkyo TXSR313 receiver (200 bucks) Fluance SX-HTB 5 speaker set (375 bucks) and a BIC F12 12" sub (200 bucks) for a total of around 800 bucks in the entire setup. just for comparison sake.
 

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I've never bought anything from MonoPrice. But the specs on that 9774 are basically the same specs on every other "tiny satellite" system. 120hz is the low extension and it comes with a tiny subwoofer. To me, you can spend $250 on that...or $140(been as low as $120) on this... http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-NS-SP1800BL-5-1-Channel-Theater-Speaker/dp/B001AVRD62/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357414750&sr=1-1&keywords=yamaha+5.1+speakers And I doubt you could tell a difference. Except the Yamaha is a laughably low 82db efficiency. The MP set is 89db. If you don't understand what that means... wattage....Yamaha....MP 1 watt.....82db....89 2..............85........92 4..............88........95 8..............91.......98 16...........94........101 (you can continue the math for yourself...point being..."rocking volume" occurs around 100db...)
 

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[quote name="schan1269" And I doubt you could tell a difference. Except the Yamaha is a laughably low 82db efficiency. The MP set is 89db. If you don't understand what that means... wattage....Yamaha....MP 1 watt.....82db....89 2..............85........92 4..............88........95 8..............91.......98 16...........94........101 (you can continue the math for yourself...point being..."rocking volume" occurs around 100db...)[/quote] You're probably right... I completely admit that I am very new to this, but I want to learn as much as I can. I'd rather spend a little more upfront than get something and realize how bad of a system it is later in the future. I knew that the higher the higher the efficiency, the better, but didn't know exactly what it meant, but it's good to know what exactly it means. Thank you!
 

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If you want the "best cheap" 5.0...and .1... http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-DV62si-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B00006JPDI/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357417080&sr=1-2&keywords=BIC+dv62 ($230-ish for two pairs) http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-DV-62CLRS-Channel-Speaker/dp/B00009WBYL/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_y (it is only $83 today...typically is $110-ish...if "too big" for where you have to put it. The DV52, which is $70...today) BIC V1020, V1220 or F12 depending if you want to spend as little as $150, or up to $200. For the $465-ish...to $540-ish...you can't find much else to get the same performance/price ratio...
 

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schan1269 said:
If you want the "best cheap" 5.0...and .1... http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-DV62si-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B00006JPDI/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357417080&sr=1-2&keywords=BIC+dv62 ($230-ish for two pairs) http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-DV-62CLRS-Channel-Speaker/dp/B00009WBYL/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_y (it is only $83 today...typically is $110-ish...if "too big" for where you have to put it. The DV52, which is $70...today) BIC V1020, V1220 or F12 depending if you want to spend as little as $150, or up to $200. For the $465-ish...to $540-ish...you can't find much else to get the same performance/price ratio...
This is more than I originally wanted to spend, but look like a really good option to go with and should last for years to come. I have been looking at buying the Onkyo TX-NR609, is this a sufficient enough of a receiver for these speakers? I appreciate the heads up on the sale!
 

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Any AVR, even a 35wpc HK, is more than enough to "rock the house" with those speakers. You buy the AVR based on the features you need/want. If there is a feature the NR609 isn't "lacking" the newer NR515 or NR616 has...or the "feature" isn't worth the cost difference...sure. The biggest benefit of the 609/616 (I haven't "looked" at the 515 in a while) is they come with a remote that will turn your TV on/off and turn on/off and use everything else(Wii and PS3 notwithstanding).
 

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Any AVR, even a 35wpc HK, is more than enough to "rock the house" with those speakers. You buy the AVR based on the features you need/want. If there is a feature the NR609 isn't "lacking" the newer NR515 or NR616 has...or the "feature" isn't worth the cost difference...sure.
I would like to have a AVR that I can expand to 7.1 channel and can effectively use the speakers with the 1020 sub. I don't know if it's worth having a 7.2 system... Now when a AVR says that it has X# of watts per channel, how does that relate to the speakers and their watts per speaker? I feel like a moron when it comes to all of this at times!
 

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Ok, there is no "exact math" to figure out an AVR's actual power. The FTC(an actual government entity) requires it to be said how power is created... Onkyo, like most, fires up two channels to a "tolerable" distortion. Then, that amount of power...produced by only two...is then "allowed to be said" X 5 or X 7. Because of the "government allowed hoop" is why you find confusion. The "simple math" is find out what the AVR you want to buy pulls off the wall. Subtract a "certain amount"(which is unknown) for video...and divide the rest by 5 or 7...or even 9. So, lets say the 609 pulls off 4.5 amp off the wall(I don't know if that is accurate...you want to buy it, you can do this yourself...and check any other AVR you want the same way)... 4.5 x 120 = 540. Lets say the 609 chews 75 for the video(maybe it chews 50...maybe it chews 100)... You get 465 to split 5 or 7 ways. If 5...you got 93. If 7...you got 66. Both of those numbers are enough power, with the DV62, to make you go deaf.
 

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I found the Onkyo TX-NR616 (which is overkill, but only $45 more new over a refrubed 609) is the way that I will go, just makes too much sense to me. I really appreciate your help! Next battle will getting it all set up...
 

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