New Eminem CD

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  1. MikeKaz

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    I originally put this in the after hours section mistakenly. I didnt think a Home Theater website would have a seperate section specifically for music and i apparently missed it.

    The new Eminem CD "The Eminem Show" (unreleased yet) is abosultely amazing. This holds no punches album covers topics from terrorism in America to his recent incident involving a handgun, to obsessive fans trying to worship him. This is by far his most serious album and it seems he has been allowed full artistic freedom to express his opinions of today's society. This should at the same time receive unanimous critical support and total dissaproval from women's support groups and the like. It's ability to mantain a totally in your face attitude while still staying humble and mocking itself at many points with intentially corny ryhmes and over done male vocals is very refreshing and will appeal to a large audience (those conservatives will say this audience is a group of degenerates). It is Marshall Mather's (Eminem's) truest opinion of today's society so far, and will remain a testiment to the freedom of speech our country enjoys(which he hints at during some of his songs). Other Eminem CD's seemed aimed at entertaining an audience and coming up with the most universally popular tracks while this one seems aimed at expressing the artist's truest opinions. five out of five stars. (comes out June 4th)
     
  2. Jack Briggs

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    Okay, Mike:

    We'll give your attempt at an Eminem thread a chance at success, considering what happened to Dean's hijacked thread about the same album.

    People, you know the ground rules: Stick to the subject, praising or criticizing the album as you see fit, based on its musical and/or technical merits.

    Do not turn this thread into a pro-rap/anti-rap discussion that leads invariably to tangential discussions about society's perceived shortcomings.

    This thread's success is up to you. Dean, have another go at it.

    We'll be watching.
     
  3. Philip Hamm

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    So don't post unless we like it? [​IMG] Just kidding...[​IMG]
    Seriously, the guy is an important, controversial, and extremely inflammatory artist. (and a very talented rapper I must say, though I don't like his work) Any discussion of his work is going to invariably lead to a discussion of the deplorable content of his lyrics.
     
  4. Dean DeMass

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    I am really looking forward to the new album.........and to see how long this thread goes before closure. [​IMG]
    -Dean-
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  6. Jack Briggs

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    You may be correct, Phil. But I'm an experimental sorta guy. And, Dean, we have to watch this thing.
    And I said "praise or criticize."
    Darn, I hate it that we come off so heavy-handedly--but, Phil, you definitely know what it's like! [​IMG]
     
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    You won't hear a peep out of me! Ooooops![​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  8. MikeKaz

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    The thing with this guy isnt necessarily the way his tracks sound or the particular messages that they contain, but the fact that he is one of a very few artists who truly says what he thinks in his lyrics as strongly as he wants without fear of negative repercussions or a loss of popularity. Some of the lyrics are trash and say some pretty horrible things overall, but the fact that he's using brutal honesty instead of lightening things to appeal to the sensibilities of any particular groups is pretty cool in istelf. It's a kind of philisophical freedom of speech type of thing(yeah, emimen philisophical [​IMG] ). "i just got the balls to say it in front of y'all and i dont gotta be false or sugar coat it at all" if say dave matthews REALLY thinks that the world is just a workday grind like he describes in Ants Marching, that may really be what he's feeling, but thats not going to make news headlines due to its inflammatory nature. (a word of note- dave matthew's latest CD dubbed the lillywhite sessions was deemed too depressing by a record label so it was scrapped and the happier album Everyday was released in it's place- speaking of catering to an audience) eminem found a niche with a sick/twisted type of lyrics and he's rolling with it and saying whatever he wants. any lyricist who truly has that power and has some bad things to say is going to be noteworthy, and its interesting to see what line he will go over.
     
  9. MikeKaz

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    oh and if you look at the way he ryhmes words, his mechanics will reveal unbeleivable ability to use different styles, all that iambic pentameter, couplets, alliteration stuff etc. any english teacher would be thoroughly impressed. (if they ignored the actual CONTENT of the lyrics) his ability to put words together that ryhme somehow is second to NONE, regardless of how horrible his songs are.
     
  10. KeithH

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    Mike, if only Eminem would put his talents to good use then. That is, why can't he put his talents to music that isn't so controversial? Is he trying to make a statement or simply interested in selling more albums? I think we get it. Now it's time to drop the controversial act. It's played (by him and many others).
     
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    Eminem is in the business of selling albums, it's kinda unrealistic to suggest otherwise. If he were to drop his controversial act then it's more than likley his record company would drop him. Marshall Mathers doing a 2k2 version of We Are The World, pray for peace in the middle east isn't likley to go platinum.
     
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    There are lots of talented artists out there (singers, rappers, painters, poets, etc) but 99.9% of them never make any money off of their skills. If Eminem were to rap about Mother Goose he would be doing it between shifts while serving as an assistant manager @ Taco Bell.
     
  14. Mike Broadman

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    People like to watch horror films. We have a darker side, and sometimes it needs to play. How we choose to do this is our business, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Eminem obviously is that kind of entertainment.

    Two reasons I never got into him:

    1. His voice is kind of flat and whiny. I like rappers with a little more gruff.

    2. The lyrics are very self-serving, as is all too often the case with rappers. That's fine, but I just don't care about the difficulty of being a star.

    NP: King Crimson, Live at Plymouth, CD
     
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    I agree with Mike but would add a third concern: I don't find his music very lyrical and that leads me to get somewhat bored after the third song. It is a bit repitive for my tastes.

    Lee
     
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    Wow, it only took a whole 5 posts to get this thread off topic already. Please guys, don't get Mike's thread closed like mine. If you want to discuss Eminem, not Eminem's new album. Please start a new thread.
    Jack,
    I was just kidding with that post. I know you guys have to watch every thread, especially ones about Eminem. [​IMG]
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  17. Jack Briggs

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    No pro', Dean.

    It just occurred to me, too: Of course you can discuss the issues raised by Mr. Mathers in his music--within the context of the music itself. It's the same modus operandi that applies to discussing topical, controversial films: The issues raised in the film may be discussed within the context of the film itself.

    We've done it before, and we can do it again--without bringing our personal agendas into the mix. Doing that gets threads shut down and members suspended.

    This one is going the way the original thread should have. Great job.
     
  18. Mike Broadman

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    Opie & Anthony are leaking a couple of songs from the new album. The one I'm hearing now is a slow, dirg-ish like lambast against his critics. Lyrically, it's typical self-serving bravado, but it's pretty good.

    The guy is talented.
     
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    Mike,
    He may be talented but maybe he should serve it somewhere else. I read today in the Wall Street Journal about some interesting upcoming lyrics directed at VP Dick Cheney's wife:
    "[bleep] you, Miss Cheney!
    [bleep] you with the freeness of speech this Divided States of Embarrassment will allow you to have!
    [bleep] you!"
    Very offensive stuff.
    [​IMG]
     
  20. Richard Kim

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    If I'm not mistaken, didn't Anthrax also make derogatory comments about Tipper Gore, (similar to what Eminem does to Cheney's wife) in one of their songs?
     

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