Neil Young's Greatest Hits coming to DVD-A?

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  1. Phil A

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    http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release...lease_id=73316

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    Tracks on Neil Young's Greatest Hits include "Down By The River," "Cowgirl In The Sand" and "Cinnamon Girl," from 1969's Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere; "Helpless," from the 1970 Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young album, Deja Vu; "After The Gold Rush," "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" and "Southern Man," from 1970's After The Gold Rush; "Ohio," a 1970 single later included on the 1974 Crosby, Still, Nash & Young collection, So Far; "The Needle And The Damage Done," "Old Man" and "Heart Of Gold," from 1972's Harvest; "Like A Hurricane," from 1977's American Stars 'n' Bars; "Comes A Time," from the 1978 album of the same name; "Hey Hey, My My (Into The Black)," from 1979's Rust Never Sleeps; "Rockin' In The Free World," from 1989's Freedom; and "Harvest Moon," from the 1992 release of the same name. "
     
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    Dual-Disc?
     
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    Sounds that it could be that way Kyle. No mention of DVD-A so I was wondering if it just may be a hi-rez DVD-V mix. It said I think Nov. 16 so I guess we'll see. Personally I hope it is not a Dual-Disc. I have not intention of buying these and being a guinea pig to see if gets stuck in one of my players (either home or car). If it is I may wait as I have 2 of his DVD-As and may see if they do some more individual albums or perhaps even C,S,N and Y on DVD-A? Between what Warner and Sony are sitting on in their music catalogs for potential hi-rez releases makes one wonder whether they are that committed to their formats.
     
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    From what I've read, Neil is enamoured with the highest sampling rates. Is 96k enough for him? That's the highest dvd-video can go, correct? 24/96? Or is it 16/48. Crap, I can't remember.
     
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    Kyle, I believe the std. DVD-V is 48k. DADs were 24/96. Here is a source that spoke to the Warner guy and claims not a Dual-Disc and not DVD-A:

    http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/dv...ges/15789.html

    "Did receive a follow up email from Bill Bentley (the guyat WB sourced for the article)This is his reply:It is not a DVD-A; It is called an advanced resolution DVD-stereo.
    Also, it is not a hybrid disc. Not sure about the entire catalogue.
    Discussions are ongoing. We're hopeful it will happen. "
     
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    It's a nice selection, though I wish he could of grabed a track or two off his debut, S/T'ed album or maybe a gem or 2 from the Buffalo Springfield days. Hell, that's the group that jump started him. His career girth has grown. He has so many good songs that it's damn hard to pare them down, I suppose... ...and please everybody![​IMG]
     
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    Perhaps it will be like some of his other DVD-As, stereo only, at 192khz. So many people who work in this business seem to have no clue about the actual product, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Warner guy said it wasn't DVD-A just because it doesn't have a M/C group.
     
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    Paul, I would hope that a spokesperson for Warner would know what a DVD-A is. [​IMG] Between their support for DVD-A and Sony's for SACD its little wonder these formats have remained a niche market.
     
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    DADs are just dvd-video discs with audio only. I suspect this new album will be a DAD with 24/96 stereo tracks on the dvd-video side.

    Or the guy at the label may not know anything and this will be a dvd-audio disc like Neil's other albums.
     
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    Neil's earlier Stereo only discs were labeled "DVD-Stereo", so this should be along the same lines. Not sure if using the DVD-A moniker requires inclusion of a multichannel track. Anyway, can't wait to pick this one up along with the new Queen disc when they are released.

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    "Regular" dvds can contain up to a 96kHz sampling rate (stereo only). That's why quite a few dvd-audios have LPCM* tracks on them so they can be played on standard dvd-video players. IIRC only a few of the very first dvd players weren't equipped with 96/24 convertors.

    * linear PCM (i.e. non-MLP/non-compressed)
     
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    OK, picked this one up yesterday... GOOD GOD A TOTAL WINNER! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I was a bit disappointed early on to learn that it would be 24/96 only, but it really does sound fantastic. And I wonder if this is a better model for hi-res music?

    I know, I know... no surround. I'm sure it would be interesting, but that would be purely icing for me. I still prefer stuff that was originally 2-channel in 2-channel, with some exceptions none of which include any of the Neil Young!

    And this disc boasts my favorite animated screen shots. Usually, I turn off my monitor as soon as I've got the disc playing, but I love, love, love these graphics! I'd describe them, but they were such a wonderful surprise that I think I'll let you discover them yourselves...

    So, does anyone think this sorta "DAD" disc, playable on every DVD player whether or not it has DVD-A encoding, is a better choice for at least some releases? Do you think this disc will be appealing to those without DVD-A players? I'm not sure, and I confess that I sorta wonder what a 24/192 sample rate would sound like...
     
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    Rich, glad to hear it is good. I'll likely pick it up when I catch up on listening to all the stuff I have laying around. I personally prefer stereo and like the DADs I have. I wish they would have just packed the DVD separately without the CD though. Yes, I know at places like Best Buy it is $13.99 for the regular CD and $19.99 for the pkg. of the 2, but if I wante a CD for the car, my CD recorder is in the tape loop of the main system and it is easy. Just like they have a few different versions of Spiderman 2 out, they could have made the CD cheaper for those who just wanted a CD (like $9.99) and $14.99 for the DVD and had some promotion if you bought both. I'll likely never even listen to the CD if I get it. I'll likely just stick the CD in my good CD player and its digital out goes directly into the CD recorder while I listen to the DVD.
     
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    So if understand correctly, the high rez sound on the dvd is not dvd-a?
     
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    Stephen, it's encoded at the same sample rate (24bit/96kHz) as many DVD-As, but it's not MLP "packed". This means you don't need a DVD-A player to decode it, but it will have the same resolution as most DVD-As.

    When I say "most DVD-As", I'm contrasting those with 24/96 stereo tracks and those with 24/192 stereo tracks. It's unlikey that this even-higher sampling rate could be accomodated without MLP packing (which, again, would require a DVD-A player to decode).

    But your post raises an interesting question in my mind: I don't have it, but I believe the "Harvest" DVD-A is encoded at 24/192. I wonder if anyone out there has both discs and can compare the common tunes (I believe there are three)? I wonder what the perceived impact of the increased sampling rate really is?
     
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    I have both. When I played the Greatest dvd on my Denon 2900, the DVD-A light did not come on, which made me think it was not hi res. The light does come on when the Harvest dvd is played.
     
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    If the disc can be played in any dvd player, then it is not a dvd-audio disc. That would mean the 24/96 stereo tracks are in the video area of the disc.

    Rich, I believe you are correct. 24/96 stereo is just below the bit rate limit of dvd. If you go with a higher sampling rate or more tracks, you have to use mlp to compress the data.
     
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    I agree it sounds great in two channel. If you like a surround mix, you can use DPL II Music mode to get a very nice surround sound.
     

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