Need serious help picking sub

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  1. Greg Br

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    I am going crazy here. I have $800 to spend on a subwoofer. I am demoing the Def-Teh 15+ from the HT shop down the street, it sounds pretty good and can really boom, it should with the big cabinet and 15" driver but I put it next to my JBL PB12 and to be honest they are both very similar, definately not worth $700 IMO. I have read some threads that say the Velodyne ct-150 is very comparable and may be slightly better and is at Circuit City for $499 closeout.

    I would love to get a 20-39+ but I have no amp and not sure I would be getting any real sound out of my old sony receiver as the amp, plus its tuff to demo them as no one has them. If it is not going to go lower than my jbl than it ain't an upgrade to me, I get boomyness already with the jbl. Is there anything out there that can satisfy my hunger at this price range. I need to make a decision by the end of the weekend, any help would be greatly appreciated.

    I have a big room to feed, 18 x 30 x 16.
     
  2. DonnyD

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    I upgraded from the JBL 12 sub to a SVS 20-39PC. Although I was very happy with the JBL, all the folks here were into SVS so the fever came on and away I went. The difference is simply tremendous. Lows that I had never heard and it sure found loose objects around the room!!!

    I chose the PC because I didn't want a separate amp. I have bought an ART 351 eq which has helped me to cure some room accoustics and I couldn't be happier.

    I have considered jumping up to a plus model sub but can't imagine them being that much better than what I have now. Since getting my SVS, I spend my weekends going through my extensive dvd collection looking for those low-end moments for more demo material.

    If I were you, I'd try to pick up a PC model since there should be several for sale in various forum fromthose who have upgraded. It is a heck of an improvement.....
     
  3. Brian Bowles

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    I had a velodyne ct-10. I took it back and took a chance on an SVS. I can not believe the difference! The velodyne was real boomy and the SVS has tight bass. To get good bass in a movie I had to turn the velodyne way up. Then it was boomy in music. The SVS is never boomy in music and is down right awesome in movies. People come over and they can not stop smiling. I did not try the ct-15 so I really can not compare it. I have two CS+ subs coming now. Originally I got one CS and the samson. I thought it was a better deal. It is only $50 more and you have an open channel to put another sub on at a later time or tactile transducers if you want. Another sub might be good for you later because your room like mine is real open.
     
  4. Thomas_Berg

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    i say go SVS. a 20-39CS with the S700 is $799, and the 20-39PC is $749. the CS and S700 will yield better performance and expandability for later on, whereas the PC takes up less room, is simpler to setup (well the CS isn't hard), and costs $50 less.

    SVS should be superior to just about anything else in this price range, and that's the route i suggest you take.
     
  5. Steve Stogel

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    While I would also recommend SVS, like Thomas, I just couldn't imagine passing up the plus model right now. With an $800 budget, you could get the 20-39CS+ and spend another 150 on a cheap plate amp (partsexpress, I think, has them). Or you could get a 25-31+ for 550 and get even closer to 300+ watts in an amplifier. I'd say go for the plus and get the best amp you can afford (hopefully 200 or more watts). I just think with the plus, you'll not run into the "I should have spent just a little more" problem. Just my two cents.

    Steve
     
  6. Greg Br

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    Steve thats were I am at. I am waiting for review for the new + versus the older model, right know I could get the 20-39cs and the s700 amp for $800 but would I be kicking myself. I have a old sterio reciever that I could use to power the 20-39+ for two or three months and then spend $365 on a b-stock s1000. Then I would do some damage. Its like I want SVS but with the new models it has opened a pandoras box of questions for me. Other people on other forums have recommended the Adire Darhma for $600 but I have no idea about that sub other than the Bob A thread that was spread early last week.
     
  7. Steve Stogel

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    Well, I've heard the Darhma is a very good sub (one of the few that can compete on a dollar-for-dollar basis with the SVS). While it can compete, I still think it comes up a loser in overall performance, especially if it tries to go up against a Plus. With the Plus giving you roughly twice the output of a regular CS and only adding 1/3 of the price, I just think you can't go wrong. I'm using a 31 just because I picked up a used one for $250. I figure that will keep me happy until the PC+s come out, and I could probably still pick up $200 or more for my sub at that time.

    Throw in the fact that the performance of the Plus surprised even the folks at SVS, and I'd be willing to be it's something to behold. Shoot, my 25-31 is something to behold, and it has none of the improvements the current CS subs have (no birch endcap, no improvement to the driver, et cetera), and it's still an awesome sub. I just think the Plus is the best bet at SVS right now unless money isn't really an issue. And if it's not, then why not the SS instead of the Ultra, you know?

    Steve
     
  8. Jeff Massey

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    I'm new here, is there an update svs coming out. I keep hearing about a plus model. Can you explain?

    thanks

    jeff
     
  9. Steve Zimmerman

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    Greg, in your original post you used the words "boom" and "boomyness" (sic). If that's what you're looking for in a subwoofer then any of those subs will do--as will a $400 Cerwin Vega 15" HTS, which is what I used to have before I bought an SVS sub.

    The thing is, though, that boominess ISN'T WHAT YOU WANT. You want something controlled, clean and tight, with flat response. I was suprised at the difference, to say the least.

    Interestingly, I was demoing Paradigm speakers this past week and had a chance to listen to the PW2200 subwoofer (about $800, I believe). After spending a few weeks with my SVS sub, the Paradigm sub sounded horrible. It was making lots of noise, but it was a muddy, boomy, reverberating noise that significantly interfered with the enjoyment of the soundtrack. It had, in my opinion, worse bass response than the unpowered main speakers we were listening to. In fact, I had to keep telling the dealer to turn the sub down and down until it was essentially off. There was no happy medium.

    --Steve
     
  10. Bob_A

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    Among the others that have already been mentioned, you should also seriously take a look at the Mirage BPS-400 (which comes in a nice piano-gloss finish). This sub is very impressive. It retails for $1300, but it is being heavily discounted right now. Tweeter is selling this sub for around $800 (or less), and someone has even seen an open box model for $650. Good luck!
     
  11. Greg Br

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    Bob, I would love to find that sub for 800, my local mirage dealer has it for 1300 and my price break was no where near 800.

    Steve, I was saying that the jbl hits pretty good but gets way boomey, definatley not what I was looking for.

    I watched an etire movie with the def tec and I did notice that it sounded alot better than the jbl, but I think its down to the SVS or the Dharma. I seem to be enamored with the SVS, although I have never even heard it, its amazing the power of peoples word is it not.
     
  12. Tom Vodhanel

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    Greg, you can't go wrong with either choice there. If you want to try a CS+ on a budget...I would go with a 25-31CS+ and match it to the 250-275w plate amp at Partsexpress for $129. For about $675 you have a very nice setup.

    TV
     
  13. Greg Br

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    Thanks all for help[​IMG] but I just pulled the trigger on dual 20-39cs setup[​IMG] [​IMG] , I demoed the Def-Tec15+ over the weekend and was not impressed[​IMG] , so if this does not sound better than that model I will be in disbelief after all the research I have done, only drawback is they will be underpowered for a couple of months, oh well such is life when your name is not Gates.
     
  14. Bob_A

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    I wouldn't make any "definitive" conclusions based on a (presumably) quick in-store audition...it takes some time and patience to properly set up and place a sub in a room.
    So anyway...Greg it seems that you have gone over your $800 budget [​IMG] Not really a bad decision...you should be happy.
     
  15. Greg Br

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    That's the thing about presumptions!
    >I wouldn't make any "definitive" conclusions based on a (presumably) quick in-store audition...it takes some time and patience to properly set up and place a sub in a room.
    I bought the floor model per the hifi stores suggestion of taking it home to try out in my environment. I calibrated it and then played all my demos, so her is my review of the Def-Tec
    Not bad looking sub that was a little bigger than my JBL. Obviously has the power to move the 15" driver as I never really cranked it past half way, anything past that sounded way to boomy.
    First thing I watched was the battle seen in Pearl Harbor, this was by far the worst that the sub performed, and not that cause it did not sound good but it did not sound better than the jbl, the booms and gunshots were very similar. I did not notice any other bass in the scene that I missed with the jbl.
    Next thing I tried out was the Pod race in the phantom menace, it did sound marginally better than the JBL.
    Then I watched the haunting, again better but only slightly.
    I then listened to some music, this is where the Def Tec was superior, I listen to a track by Jennifer Warnes with some different changing frequencies of bass, it definitely sounded better. I then listened to Sarah McLaughlin and again it was better.
    In the end I thought it was a better sub but in the movies part, which is most important, it was only slightly better and at $767 after tax I did not think that the upgrade was worth it.
    I am paying over the $800 but not by alot. If these babies rock like every other post say they do, and believe me I have read about every sub post in the last three weeks then I know I will be satisfied. If not, I am out the shipping cost to send them back, then I will try some others. It is a learning process by trial and error.
    >not really a bad decision
    But not a good decision? (no need to answer that, I make my own decisions ,good or bad)
    Thanks!
    Greg[​IMG]
     
  16. Bob_A

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    Sorry...the way you worded it seemed like it was an in-store audition. I am certainly not saying that the Def Tech sub will outperform the others mentioned here...but it does take a while to optimize a sub in the room. If your dealer is charging you that price, then they are giving you (presumably) zero money off list price...doesn't sound like a good deal to me. List price for a floor model??? So did you end up going with the dual package with sampson amp? Isn't this $1200? Even so, you will almost certainly appreciate the extra headroom down low vs. using only one SV.

     
  17. Michael Mohrmann

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    Greg,

    Good luck with your decision. Based on your following comment: "only drawback is they will be underpowered for a couple of months", it sounds like you have an amp you can use until funds become available for something more powerful. From what I have read, you might be surprised just what kind of performance you will be getting even with a low-powered amp.

    It's interesting how an in-home audition can differ from room to room, system to system. My audition of the Def Tech 15 was somewhat the reverse of yours, getting a decent performance for HT, but mediocre for music.

    Michael
     
  18. SVS-Ron

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    Greg,

    I assume you have a Dolby Digital receiver, but I haven't heard you say what amp you will use to power the twin SVS's. Just kind of curious.

    Ron
     
  19. Greg Br

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    I will use my Soney pro-logic receiver. Tom seems to think at 4ohms it will spit out 125 watts to 2 channels. Not the ideal situation but it will take me a couple of months to get the funds together for a amp, maybe I will catch a Samson on B-stock, I check it at least 10 times a day. I have tempered my performance situation due to the lack of power.

    I have a Yamaha RSV-1000. I actually have been checking my JBL towers out compared to some other of the newer top end models(mine are actualy from 93'), and to be honest they kick some serious butt. I think an upgrade to the center channel, a new amp, some good surrounds and a plasma screen with these subs should make the system very sweet indeed!! Its nice to have goals.
     
  20. SVS-Ron

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    Greg,

    That ought to work great. Keep your calibration levels within the limits of the receivers power handling (it'll just shut down if you push it too hard) and I think you'll be shocked at what "only" 125 watts can do with a well designed sub.

    Keep us posted.

    Ron
     

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