Ok guys here goes, Ive been looking to get a receiver for quite sometime now but things just never added up... And well now that me and the gf are done with, well i decided its time to take the plunge. Ive read a lot on the subjects and done lots of research i havent looked @ denond and marrants too much as they are not available to me(going on a monthly plan) and narrowed it down to 4 choices that are: Kenwood vr 6070 799.99$ Yamaha rvx 730 850.00$ Yamaha rvx 1300 1050.0$ Pioneer vsx 811 600.00$ I like the kenwood and both yammys for the learning remote and lcd display on remote whilst the pioneer only has learning The kenwood does 92 watts as for the 3 other couldnt find a review on power but the 730 is rated @ 75 Both yammy can do 4ohm witch is a plus for later on but i plan on getting outboard amps in the future and maybe a bryston 3bst for xmas Yamaha and pionneer have hdtv component in and out The yammys take it away on the dsp but not sure im gonna use all of them or most of them, input here would be appreciated.... Both yammys have on screen display not sure for the pionneer, kenwood no From revienws ive read the kenwood is not too good for audio but from my ears the yams do sound better but not all that much and well for the pioneer i have no clue couldnt audition it yet..... This will be for like 85% music 15% ht has it will be in my bedroom. And well preouts are a must thats were the pioneer impresses me with 7.1 compared to 6.1 on all other, also the prices... What do you guys think and what would be your choices, Also i do listen to it loud my room is 12x12 and well i often listen over references, so ruggedness is to be considered here. Any input would be greatly appreciated. p.s dual zone doesnt do anything for me as stated its for a bedroom.