I have 16-46cs plus, I visited a HT store and they had some 802s hooked up with a sub I think it was a sunfire. They played Toy Story 2 which having my sub for months now I never got around to testing. I thought the speakers were awesome and the bass sucked. Let me here this on my system with my sub I said to myself. Not that my system is a $40000 Mark Levison with a Revel speaker system. Although I am just as proud with my Outlaw 950/770 combo. I popped in the DVD and in the opening scenes it just started making my sub dance. Now I have tested U571, and TPM, and Matrix, Gladiator, whatever it has never happened. Anyway it felt almost stressed, and of late it could not handle the DTS intro. Would one of those subsonic filters help me go louder? The sub is on level ground what is the deal with that?