My So Called Life preorders... kiddie porn?

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  1. Jeff Ulmer

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    I preordered this set on Feb 28 and never got a confirmation email, but my credit card was charged. Today I get a kiddie porn spam sent to the address I have used soley for that order offering "Lolitas, Boys and Teen sites". I'm not too impressed with AnotherUniverse.com and their security measures.
     
  2. James Costin

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    Jeff

    I had exactly the same problem as I was sent this foul e-mail. Your post has shown me how they got hold of my e-mail address. It disgusts me that evil filth such as this can be sent so easily.

    If it happens again what is the best thing to do? Just delete it or report it to someone.
     
  3. Cynthia

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    Ugh, I got that today too. I didn't know how they got my email address, because I use that address for many things. And you have to go to their site to unsubscribe. Is there anywhere to report such sites?

    I'm pretty upset with AnotherUniverse.com for compromising my email address.
     
  4. Jack Briggs

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    Two questions: What was that e-mail called, and, out of curiosity, what, vaguely, did it contain? I deleted an e-mail without opening it this morning, something headlined "You may have pornography on your computer." I never open spam, but I remember that title.
     
  5. Lance Nichols

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    Huh, I preordered, can't say I remember any spam like that. At least not over the last few days, unfortunately I get SO MUCH spam, even on my "private" accounts that I just hit the delete button on any that comes though my filters.

    I don't remember authorrizing them for resale of my email address.
     
  6. Damin J Toell

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    from AnotherUniverse.com's privacy policy:
    "Any personal information (e.g., name, e-mail address, etc.) provided by such individuals may be used in connection with CMI Holdings Websites and for such other purposes as may be indicated at the point of collection (or otherwise detailed in the AnotherUniverse.com, Inc. Privacy Policy). From time to time, such information may be provided to reputable third parties for marketing or information gathering purposes. If you do not want us to share your personal information with third parties, please let us know by e-mail at: [email protected] include your name, address, and e-mail.
    While AnotherUniverse.com, Inc. will use reasonable good faith efforts to require third parties to adhere to its privacy policies, it does not bear any responsibility for any actions or policies of such parties."
     
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    Good to know AnotherUniverse.com considers "Lolitas, Boys and Teen sites" a reputable third party company.
     
  8. Jeff Ulmer

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    The message was titled: RE: for all fans of tiny little girls

    Quote: "Here the most juvenile kiddies and the most lewd photos!" and more.

    I called AnotherUniverse.com and they claim no idea how that email address was obtained, but I know for a fact that they are the only site I have ever used that on. Considering the only time I have given it to them was while ordering (which also had my CC #) and one email to them about not receiving an order (which was never answered). Someone has either hacked the site, or intercepted their email. In either case, this is pretty bad, and I'll be keeping an eye on my credit card for any suspicious charges.
     
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    Well, I was thinking about ordering this set, but not now!
     
  10. Kevin Leonard

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    That's odd, I never received this email at all, and I ordered the same thing.

    And Jeff, if you want a confirmation email from Another Universe, just ask them for it. The same thing happened to me: I never received a confirmation email, but kept the order number and asked them about it. I was sent a confirmation-of-order email within a few hours of my inquiry. The official excuse was that they were having "mail server issues."

    Now that I think about it, that may be one of the causes of this supposed porn email...
     
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  12. James David Walley

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    I would worry if I received this e-mail.

    Some background: I run a mailing list for classical guitarists and builders. (I say, without boasting, that it is currently the primary list in the world for this purpose, with a number of prominent musicians and builders as regular contributors.) Anyway, last December, the list got an unsolicited message from some place named NakedMail.com, "acknowledging" that we had signed up for their "nudes of the week" mailing list. (How one mailing list can subscribe to another mailing list I have never figured out, but this was obvious unsolicited spam.) Anyway, after one additional message with lots of porno links, they vanished, and I figured the matter was closed.

    However, as you may have noticed, the FBI is currently on a campaign to track down kiddie porn. In their recent and ongoing action (arresting hundreds around the country), they announced that those arrested were "subscribers" to a kiddie porn service called Candyman. When I heard about it, my first reaction was to check the messages that the list had received from NakedMail. To my relief, there was no mention of child pornography in either of them, so I assume I and the several hundred subscribers to the list are safe from legal liability. However, I'm a bit leery of the FBI action. I hope that, when the cases come to trial, they can actually prove that the defendents consciously chose to join that list, and that none of them were simply people who got spammed or had their names added by someone else. It's pretty common to get spam, to the extent that most people just delete it unread. If the cases in the FBI sting simply rely on "we found this person's e-mail address on the server's list of subscribers," and that argument is judged sufficient in court, anyone might be criminally liable for whatever e-mail they receive, solicited or not.

    In other words, I suspect the best reaction at present when you receive such an unsolicited message is to report it to everyone you can, up to and including law enforcement. Only in that way can you be able to prove that you weren't a willing participant in criminal activity.
     
  13. Jeff Ulmer

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    I had called over a week ago (after my email was never answered) to get a confirmation via email, was given the "mail server overload" story, but have yet to get anything from that address other than a link to a kiddie porn site. I asked for a confirmation email again today when I called about the porn email, but still don't have one (that would be request #3).

    I was hesitant to sign up for this offer in the first place, and my confidence isn't being bolstered by the events since placing a preorder.
     
  14. MaxY

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    James,

    In that bust I believe all of the defendants were getting busted for the creation of or solictation of kiddie porn. I believe it was these spammer types that are getting in trouble. I don't believe any one got introuble for receiving un-solicited spam.

    Max
     
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    If the security on their site is this poor, I'd consider using a different seller.
    You should report these to the FBI.
     
  16. David Lambert

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    I got home tonight to find the EXACT e-mail message in my in-box that Jeff Ulmer describes in the 8th post in this thread.
    It was sent to an address that I used exclusively to order this set. A new e-mail address, that was just provided to me and was used for only one other purpose so far, completely unrelated to this situation.
    I *do* intend to report this to the FBI immediately. This spam is clearly solicating illegal activity, despite their protestation at the bottom of the spam that:
     
  17. Lawrence Davis

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    A couple of weeks ago I heard about an expert who contacted the FBI about a new computer virus that he identified. What did the FBI do? They bugged his phone of course. [​IMG]
    I doubt the people the FBI busted in the candyman crackdown were just people who were inadvertantly put on a mailing list. But it wouldn't surprise me.
    Wouldn't it be funny if the "kiddie porn" link was a law enforcement sting operation? It seems a little too coincidental that people who buy a children's TV show get sent a kiddie porn link. That's assuming this really is child pornography. I do know one thing. I won't be buying anything from AnotherUniverse.com without a very thorough explanation of what's happened.
     
  18. Jeff Ulmer

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    I'd hardly call MSCL a children's show, even though it is about teenagers. The link in the email is a CGI call suffixed by "track".... gee, let's see who actually clicks through!

    Theguy I spoke to at AnotherUniverse claimed they don't sell their email addresses, but they still have not either returned my call on the matter or sent a confirmation email for my order. As David mentioned, this is the only place to order this set, otherwise I wouldn't have been inclined to order there in the first place, since I have a number of sites I am happy with already.
     
  19. David Lambert

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    As soon as I posted my reply above, the first thing I did was to try to unsubscribe to their mailing list at this porn site. I followed the procedure in their e-mail, and it took me to the extremely offensive front page of their site! [​IMG]
    I found on the right side of the page the EXTREMELY tiny area which you are supposed to type in your e-mail address and mark it for "UNSUBSCRIBE". As soon as I clicked the button to accept, it popped up a window to let me know I was successful. When I went to close that window...you guessed it. Javascript popups galore! At least a dozen of them opened up before I could activate my PopUp Ad Filter program to stop them, and begin shutting them down (I don't keep it on 100% of the time because it makes the system lock up).
    So, be warned...if you go to unsubscribe to this thing, you better have your popup killer activated and have no kids - or anyone with a weak stomach! - in the room.
    I called the Memphis FBI office immediately, and the lady gave me a local e-mail address to forward the Spam to and told me to make my report via the e-mail. I am doing so right now; I just wanted to take a quick break and warn y'all about the popups and the ugliness!
    I guess I will copy-and-paste the above description into my report. The FBI should know about that part, too. Why do these spammers think this is a good idea? [​IMG]
     
  20. Steve O

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    Welcome to the world of the Internet folks. These spam sites get your E-mail address from numerous places and claim that you've "subscribed" to a list. Most of the time, you can't even reply to an E-mail, since it's been re-routed and disguised through so many different servers that it's nearly impossible to identify.
    To get rid of spam, I highly recommend SpamKiller. It's the best shareware that I've ever purchased! It filters out 100% of my spam and deletes it at the server. Not only does it get rid of these nasty E-mails, but it also blocks many, many E-mail worm viruses (since they can usually be identified by the subject line or text). The same site also offers a freeware program called SpamDigger that allows you to identify the source of the spam (even if it is using an alias sender address).
    Hope that helps! I know it helped me tremendously.
    {Now I think I'll go back to discussing my favorite topic, ... Home Theater! What site was I on again?!}
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