Bob U
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- Oct 6, 2001
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Been quite a while since I posted about subs and thought I would bring things up to date.
Some of you might recall, I had a pair of Sunfire Mk II's and was less than thrilled. I learned about the Behringer Feedback Destroyer here and improved things a bit. But it never sounded like anything folks here were describing for their bottom ends. Especially SVS owners.
Posting here got someone about a half hour away to invite me over to auditon his SVS 25-31. Amazing. So I immediately sold the Sunfires and bought a pair of SVS 25-31's tuned to 22Hz.
Unfortunately, it was just a minor improvement *in my room* and I spent weeks tweaking, emailing SVS back and forth, trying lots of things. Getting frustrated, I hauled one over to my new friends and matched levels and phases, checked curves and swapped them out in HIS room and mine sounded even better than his. Even without any BFD EQ. So, I learned that I have a problem room. And believe me, I tried corners, away from corners, walls, one sub, two subs, two side by side, two in opposite corners...you name it. What I am hearing is that a concrete slab detracts from sub response and a wood floor enhances it - which is just the opposite of what my sense of logic says, but it seems to be true. I never got "pressure" or that "tactile sense"...or maybe just a touch of it.
I have to say it is rare if not impossible to find the kind of customer service that one receives as an SVS customer, but, alas, we ran out of ideas and decided to return the subs under the 45 day guarantee. There was no way of knowing if a 20-39 or 16-46 might have been an improvment and we had all become a bit frustrated after 80 some odd emails and even a call or two.
So, I bought a HSU VTF-3. It was due to arrive Friday, but got into Sacramento and was promptly lost by UPS. How do you lose a 93 lb subwoofer?? Be that as it may, it arrived today.
It goes lower than the SVS (and the Sunfires). I don't know how that would compare to the 20-39 or 16 46, but definitely lower than the 25-31 tuned to 22 Hz. And one thing I had learned from all my prior tests is that I got better results with one sub than with two. No matter how they were placed. And one SVS or one Hsu seems to be more than enough for me. Even at reference level. I never bottomed either one.
The Hsu sounds very good. Better than anything else I have tried. I get a little more tactile and pressure, though not what I know is possible in other rooms. But more than I have had in my room before. It sounds very good on music, though I am getting just a touch of bloom on kick drum, And I have one suckout that is new to this sub / position for me that I can't seem to cure. But all in all, its not a bad curve for the first day tweaking. And I will go back and touch up once the sub has broken in.
And just as an added perk, it matches my Westlake mains fairly well in finish so it looks a little better in my room. I'l lhave to take a new pic and post in the next few days.
But, for now, here's my first day's curve. Happy to answer any questions.
-=Bob=-
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Some of you might recall, I had a pair of Sunfire Mk II's and was less than thrilled. I learned about the Behringer Feedback Destroyer here and improved things a bit. But it never sounded like anything folks here were describing for their bottom ends. Especially SVS owners.
Posting here got someone about a half hour away to invite me over to auditon his SVS 25-31. Amazing. So I immediately sold the Sunfires and bought a pair of SVS 25-31's tuned to 22Hz.
Unfortunately, it was just a minor improvement *in my room* and I spent weeks tweaking, emailing SVS back and forth, trying lots of things. Getting frustrated, I hauled one over to my new friends and matched levels and phases, checked curves and swapped them out in HIS room and mine sounded even better than his. Even without any BFD EQ. So, I learned that I have a problem room. And believe me, I tried corners, away from corners, walls, one sub, two subs, two side by side, two in opposite corners...you name it. What I am hearing is that a concrete slab detracts from sub response and a wood floor enhances it - which is just the opposite of what my sense of logic says, but it seems to be true. I never got "pressure" or that "tactile sense"...or maybe just a touch of it.
I have to say it is rare if not impossible to find the kind of customer service that one receives as an SVS customer, but, alas, we ran out of ideas and decided to return the subs under the 45 day guarantee. There was no way of knowing if a 20-39 or 16-46 might have been an improvment and we had all become a bit frustrated after 80 some odd emails and even a call or two.
So, I bought a HSU VTF-3. It was due to arrive Friday, but got into Sacramento and was promptly lost by UPS. How do you lose a 93 lb subwoofer?? Be that as it may, it arrived today.
It goes lower than the SVS (and the Sunfires). I don't know how that would compare to the 20-39 or 16 46, but definitely lower than the 25-31 tuned to 22 Hz. And one thing I had learned from all my prior tests is that I got better results with one sub than with two. No matter how they were placed. And one SVS or one Hsu seems to be more than enough for me. Even at reference level. I never bottomed either one.
The Hsu sounds very good. Better than anything else I have tried. I get a little more tactile and pressure, though not what I know is possible in other rooms. But more than I have had in my room before. It sounds very good on music, though I am getting just a touch of bloom on kick drum, And I have one suckout that is new to this sub / position for me that I can't seem to cure. But all in all, its not a bad curve for the first day tweaking. And I will go back and touch up once the sub has broken in.
And just as an added perk, it matches my Westlake mains fairly well in finish so it looks a little better in my room. I'l lhave to take a new pic and post in the next few days.
But, for now, here's my first day's curve. Happy to answer any questions.
-=Bob=-
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