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With AT&T taking ownership of Warner, there will probably be less interest in releasing titles on disc than ever before. Once AT&T really starts managing Warner directly (which usually starts happening a year after acquisition), I fear for both the Warner Archive program and even TCM, since it's not an ad-driven cable station and the only revenue stream is a small fee paid by the MSO's for each subscriber. Let's not forget that AT&T bought Warner primarily to get content for their streaming service - content that will drive people to sign up for the service. A superhero movie or Harry Potter might. "Brothers Grimm" won't, Cinerama or not.

In addition, the disc business is clearly a hit-driven business and most of the business is in recent films. In 2018, the top 100 best-selling Blu-ray discs took about 51% of industry Blu units and almost 64% of the revenue. The 100th best-selling title sold 120,000 units. I suspect that the top 200 discs could have taken 75% of units and over 90% of revenue. And I doubt Brothers Grimm would make the top 200. So the chances of Warner investing a lot of money to restore this title are quite low. Do you think any senior executive at AT&T cares about the history of film?

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On a separate note, someone posted way above that they thought Logan's Run was the last 70mm 6-track discrete title, but the 1976 "A Star Is Born", released six months later, also had 70mm discrete prints as did many other films released after that including Tommy, Coming Home, Crossed Swords, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Comes A Horseman, 1941 and others. Some of those might have also been released in Dolby Baby Boom, but there were also some discrete prints as well. According to my records, the last 70mm discrete title was probably "Spies Like Us" in December of 1985. I remember thinking at the time that they probably didn't want to pay the Dolby licensing fees and IIRC, there wasn't much discrete in the mix anyway.
What do you mean by 'discrete ' prints? I am baffled. I saw LOGAN'S RUN, and A STAR IS BORN (1976) in 70mm as well as SERGEANT PEPPER"S etc in 70mm at the NYC Rivoli on their D150 screen.
 

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What do you mean by 'discrete ' prints? I am baffled. I saw LOGAN'S RUN, and A STAR IS BORN (1976) in 70mm as well as SERGEANT PEPPER"S etc in 70mm at the NYC Rivoli on their D150 screen.
Discrete= 5 full range screen channels. Dolby Baby Boom = 3 full range screen channels (L, C, R) and 2 low-frequency channels.
 
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I first saw this at the Plaza in Melbourne in Cinerama as a four year old in 1964. Had a big impact on me (We also saw HOW THE WET WAS WON there). The scene in which the very ill Laurence Harvey hallucinates and sees his fairy tale characters around his sick bed (inc. Russ Tamblyn reprising his 1958 role of Tom Thumb) greatly disturbed me for weeks afterwards
I next saw it in 16mm in the late '70's in CinemaScope. A little faded brown but generally very good
I have the US LD, but would love to get the Japanese one as I think the print utilized (and broadcast on TCM) is much better.( i may have to rob a bank to pay for this, however.)
Would love a proper Blu Ray release, even if just taken from that master, impefect as it may be. Better than nothing!
 

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I first saw this at the Plaza in Melbourne in Cinerama as a four year old in 1964. Had a big impact on me (We also saw HOW THE WET WAS WON there). The scene in which the very ill Laurence Harvey hallucinates and sees his fairy tale characters around his sick bed (inc. Russ Tamblyn reprising his 1958 role of Tom Thumb) greatly disturbed me for weeks afterwards
I next saw it in 16mm in the late '70's in CinemaScope. A little faded brown but generally very good
I have the US LD, but would love to get the Japanese one as I think the print utilized (and broadcast on TCM) is much better.( i may have to rob a bank to pay for this, however.)
Would love a proper Blu Ray release, even if just taken from that master, impefect as it may be. Better than nothing!
I saw WWOTBG in Auckland back in 1964 and later several times in Sydney,Australia. (in Cinerama every time). Now I can only watch it on dvd but that is better than nothing at all. If it were ever restored for future generations to cherish,it would need to be seen in Cinerama just like it was originally intended to be seen. I would have loved to have seen it in NYC at the Capitol Cinema. Their massive Cinerama screen was truly incredible-my all time favourite cinema. Where else in the world would you have to cross over a Japanese bridge with running water beneath, in order to get to the auditorium?That was such an incredible experience that to-day's audiences can never experience.How many other HTF readers ever saw a movie at the Capitol in NYC?Such memories are never forgotten.
 
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Anyone else hear the news that they’re finally releasing this on blu-ray! I’m REALLY excited for this one! First day purchase for me!
 
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Cinemiracle did you see 2001 in '77 at the Rivoli on its D150 screen? How did that compare to the Capitol presentation?
 

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Cinemiracle did you see 2001 in '77 at the Rivoli on its D150 screen? How did that compare to the Capitol presentation?
I only ever saw SAND PEBBLES and SERGEANT PEPPER'S etc in 70mm at the Rivoli. I also only ever saw THE DIRTY DOZEN in 70mm at the Capitol. Never saw any other film at these two cinemas.I was only visiting NYC from overseas at the time. On most of my 7 trips to NYC I went to see live theatre every night and matinees as well. As an actor I preferred theatre to cinema.I also worked in many cinemas (5 in total) and had to endure SOUND OF MUSIC every night, on our 60 ft TODD-AO screen for 41 weeks. As good as SOM was,it was not my favourite musical.
 

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Well as much as I like SOM even I would consider that a bit much.

How lucky you were. You probably got to see a lot of great theater in NY in the 60s and you got to see the Capitol!
 

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SOM is one of my “only watch if tied up with a gun to my head” movies now. I never liked it much to begin with, but it, like several others (“Fiddler On The Roof”) have been watched so many times that they have long ago worn out their welcome, and I am a “musical nut”).
 

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I had to endure SOUND OF MUSIC every night, on our 60 ft TODD-AO screen for 41 weeks. As good as SOM was,it was not my favourite musical.
It wouldn't be one of my favorite, either, if I had to slog through that many showings of it.
 

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Dave Strohmaier was on a recent Nitrateville podcast and he indicated GRIMM is still in rights hell with no movement by Warner. He also confirmed he is retired, but didn't exactly rule out coming out of retirement just in case a miracle happened on GRIMM. Very interesting listen overall (the GRIMM update is towards the end though).

https://www.nitrateville.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=28590
 

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I hope you were in an appropriately "altered state of consciousness" for Sgt. Pepper. That one's a a tough slog, even for "so bad it's good" types like me.
Hated the film but I would see anything on the Rivoli's huge D150 screen in 70mm. I managed to see 181 feature films protected in 70mm and 11 short films..(Excluding Imax films).Saw a couple of shorts in Showscan and several on a completely circular screen- one of which was in 3-D Thankfully all were on celluloid.Most unusual short seen in 70mm was one that was projected onto a small waterfall.
 

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Did they use the D-150 lenses at lot for 70mm as i know D-150 corp only liked the cinema to use them on D-150 films and we all know there were only 2 features shot in that format.
 

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