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Music & Sound Effects replacement on I Dream of Jeannie S2

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by JohnMor, Jun 29, 2006.

  1. JohnMor

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    Snagged a copy of Jeannie S2 early and have discovered several cases of music replacement so far. Early on disc 3 they switch the closing theme on the episodes to the Season 3 version. The episode "One of Our Bottles Is Missing" has the opening music of the teaser scene replaced as well as a couple of the sound effects and the music on the scene transition thing. Most of the sound effects on "My Poor Master, The Civilian" have been changed, as well as all the scene transition music. And while I'm less familiar with it, I swear the laugh track on these episodes is completely different. It is WAY pumped up, and does not sound at all like the laugh track that Screen Gems used. It sounds a bit more contemporary.

    I've only watched about 6 episodes so far, so I'm dreading what I may find on the rest. It's probably nothing that anyone but a die-hard fan is going to notice or care about, but I thought I should bring to people's attention before they may buy it next Tuesday.
     
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    What the....?
     
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    Concerning "My Master, the Civilian", a couple years ago when that episode was being shown on the Screen Gems Network (I believe, I'll have to check my tapes), the laugh track was quite different, as though it seemed REAL people were sitting there watching it be filmed...there were even some catcalls when one of the secretaries walked in and was flirting with Tony. And the special effects sounds were different.
     
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    David*P, that is exactly what it sounds like. I'm not sure how long it's been this way (possibly even before the Screen Gems network airings?), but it definitely isn't the original, which I've had on tape since the 70's.

    I'm not as big a fan of IDOJ as I am of Bewitched, so my main worry was that this didn't signify things to come on those sets. Your post has made me feel more confident that it won't. Obviously the tracks were re-done several years ago and that may be all that exists now. I know the reason several Bewitched episodes were initially left off the Japanese dvds was supposedly because the soundtracks of those episodes were considered not up to par (even though they've since been released as bonus eps on the 8th season set.) So maybe there have just been some issues with the survival of some of the Screen Gems audio elements.

    But I'll tell you, whoever did this audio revising on the eps didn't seem to give it much thought or care. It really sounds like a "sucky" job to me. Oh well.
     
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    I had just thought that maybe the IDOJ people were trying to experiment with different sounds and all, which I thought was a good idea, though I was glad that they reverted back to the original sound effects with subsequent episodes. It's kind of cool to watch it with the difference, though if it isn't what was originally broadcast back in the 60s, I don't want it.
     
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    Well, they did try different sounds in the second season (as did BW), but these are definitely not the original broadcast music and sound effects (or laugh tracks).

    Like I said, it's something most casual viewers probably won't notice, especially if they've been broadcast like this for the last several years (at least on Screen Gems, if not TV Land.) But to me they stick out like sore thumbs.

    I'll go through the remaining eps this weekend and see if there are any other instances.
     
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    Storage of audio elements of that period generally consists of one mono final mix, and two others: one with just dialogue and another with music and effects mixed together. The latter is used when dubbing in foreign languages.

    Putting aside the reason (music rights?) it sounds like these episodes were remixed using the original dialogue track and new elements for everything else. As was pointed out, the editor could have endeavored to rebuild it using as much original material as possible, such as stealing stuff from the mono mix when appropriate, lifting matching sound effects and cues from other episodes, etc. All it takes is an editor with the time, budget and willingness to go to the trouble. Sounds like they were missing at least one of those factors in this job.
     
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    I did some digging and "Russian Roulette" was one of the episodes cited. Other episodes (although unspecified) in the Season 1 set, according to another poster on Sitcoms Online, had replaced laugh tracks.

    "One of Our Bottles Is Missing" and "My Poor Master, The Civilian" were also cited having music replacement and replaced laugh tracks, as brought up by John in this thread.

    Was "Russian Roulette" affected in the first season (B&W) set?
     
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    Yes. The music on the Russian Roulette episode has been changed.
     
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    I wasn't aware that Sony had messed with the music on some Jeannie episodes, I had previously thought the DVD's were all fine with original music intact. I guess that's not the case. Too bad, this is just another instance of a DVD release being tarnished because of music issues.

    I suspect that some Jeannie episodes on the DVD's have scenes missing. I mention this because some episodes have shorter run times compared to others so I suspect some of these shorter ones have been edited.

    The "Bootsie Nightingale" episode is one of those, looks to me like a scene might have been edited out and also the picture is jittery for a few minutes during the episode, poor transfer job by Sony.

    I also believe there's a little snippet missing from the episode "Meet My Masters Mother". The scene where Jeannie bangs on the drum is missing. It's only about a 10 second edit, but it's still an edit.

    A few episodes from season 2 run under 25 minutes, "Happy Anniversary" and "My Master The Pirate" are two examples, I can't say for sure if these episodes are edited but I suspect that they are. Most episodes from season 2 run about 25:20.

    Seasons 4 and 5 both have some episodes with shorter than usual run times also.

    Sony seems to have done better with the Bewitched DVD's, I don't know if the episodes have all their original music but they all seem to be uncut, episode run times are all consistent and I'm not aware of any scenes being cut or edited.
     
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    Thank you for answering this, William. I've had Season 1 sitting on my shelf since 2006 (which I finally watched this past weekend) and I wondered about the first season.
     

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