most brutal violence (1 Viewer)

[Tim-H.]

I do love those Jess Franco films (I've seen maybe 10 or so). They really are dream-like, even when (especially when?) they are cheesy and absurd. I guess I've seen the 'soft' Femal Vampire. Never seen anything 'harder' in the genre, unless you count the recent reissue of Ed Wood's Necromania with the 'Hot! Hot! Hot!' cut.

 

[Richard Kim]

The end of Heavenly Creatures is extremely disturbing.

 

[LanieParker]

I can handle 'some' violence in movies, like in movies like Terminator or Campy horror films like Halloween and Friday the 13th, but the movies you guys have been describing in this thread sound like movies I would never wish to see.

I have a hard time watching Seven or Silence of the Lambs, I don't think there is any way I could make it through one of those cannibal flicks.

I had a hard time watching movies like Deliverence, The Accused, A Clock Work Orange... my poor mind can't handle that stuff.

For me, movies that are similar to real life situations I can't watch, but movies like Halloween, Friday the 13th, Dawn of the dead...campy horror I can watch. Go figure.

 

[Anthony*B]

hello Jesse! your statement:

"Going back to Cannibal Holocaust and Anthony's suggestion that the girl on the pole may have been real and "found that way""

Nah, she's very much alive. She was standing on a stool or something and holding the piece of wood in her mouth. Toward the end of the scene, where it pans down, the director put a little scratch in the film to make it look damaged but the reason he did this was to hide the stool she was standing on.

sorry, this still doesnt convince me (I would like to know if this convinces Michael Elliot as well)...I am pretty familiar w/ sfx & such & can pretty easily spot phony-baloney ...here is a thought for you:
I have seen TONS of CH photos & own several photo filled books about it showing behind the scenes photos of virtually every scene in the movie being "prepared" or "set up", yet I have NEVER seen a single behind the scenes photo of that shot, the pole, or anything relating to it...something to ponder
& JonZ...it appears that the "pole girl" is SUPPOSED to be the girl that was raped earlier, but watch the "rape" scene closely...not the same woman in my opinion (not even close-the "rape" woman appears to be a Caucasian covered in mud, whereas "pole girl" apears to be a genuine "native" girl
all theories of course, do what you will with them

 

[Michael Elliott]

The best way to tell is by the nipples. No, not being a pervert but the dead give away in these films were an "actress" had body parts messed with is by looking at her breast or other areas. The effects are usually given away right there or at least the signs of a double being used. The pole girl, the director claims she was sitting on a bike chair but if you look between her legs, nothing is there (no pun intended).

Again, I'm not saying this scene is real but the effect certainly didn't come from her simply sitting on a chair and sticking a pole in her mouth. I wish I could find that webpage, I did a search and couldn't find it, although there are thousands of pages on CH. The director also claimed that there were strings holding her up but again, zoom in on these scenes and they can't be seen.

Real bodies were used in films long before CH so it wouldn't be too much more shocking if a real body was used here.

 

[Anthony*B]

true on all points Michael...the debate continues

the wife & I are gearing up to watch American History X on Saturday after seeing a bit of it on IFC...looked really interesting, but then I really liked Romper Stomper too

Ichi the Killer, as mentioned above, IS very brutal in that odd, almost "comic-bookey" Japanese way (more specifically Miike's way )

And Michael, I BARELY made it through Erotic Nights of the Living Dead, not because of the brutality, but because of that oh-so D'amato tendency to put the viewer right to sleep...now Emmanuelle In America on the other hand....hard to believe the same guy directed both, hehe

 

[JonZ]

I actually got Emmanuelle in America(uncut) at Borders for $6 in the bargain box

That was a while ago,I havent watched it yet.As said earlier, its good, but also kind of strange to be able to go to Best Buy,Borders,etc and find films like that - which were "hard to find"items forever.

 

[Michael Elliott]

I actually love the zombie footage from EROTIC but those incredibly bad porn scenes just ruin it. I need to order the R-rated cut to see if that would make viewing the film any better. BEYOND THE DARKNESS is one of my favorites as well. PORNO HOLOCAUST on the other hand was quite horrid even for exploitation. I sold my EMMANUELLE IN AMERICA disc because it didn't live up to the hype for me. I plan on getting X-Rated Kult's disc of D'Amato's CALIGULA: THE UNTOLD STORY, which I've heard is more brutal than any of the mentioned films.

 

[Anthony*B]

ENOTLD just bored me to tears for some reason, & I have a pretty high tolerance factor ...Beyond the Darkness never eally grabbed me either, maybe I just have a low D'Amato tolerance ...I would like to pick up that Caligula disc tho, just for the sheer outrageousness I've heard it has (never seen it, but sounds rough - D'Amato sure likes to toss bits of b*stiality into his films, doesnt he?

I'm really surprised you didnt care for EIA though...perhaps it's the subject matter that interests me (the idea of snuff films is terrible, yet interesting, & makes for some gripping exploitation really)

 

[chris winters]

so what exactly happens in Emmanuelle in America, for those of us unitiated? Is it related to all those soft core porn "Emmanuelle" movies that you can catch on cinemax from the 70s and 80s?

 

[Michael Elliott]

Chris---The legendary Pedro has a woman stroke his you know what.




BTW, Pedro is a horse.

 

[dave_brogli]

By no means the most goriest or anything, but Devils Advocate when Charlize Theron kills herself in the hospital.

i absolutely love that mvie but hate it for that one scene.

its definetly emotionally disturbing

 

[Chris Moe]

The beating scene is Nil By Mouth is one of the most brutal scenes I have ever seen (for a scene that takes place in reality anyway).

 

[JonZ]

Chris,to answer your question....

"An American journalist travels throughout the world in search of a good story by joining a modern-day harem and traveling to Venice to see what really goes on at diplomatic parties. While trying to expose a corrupt government official, Emanuelle stumbles upon a group that uses kidnapped girls to make and sell snuff films. A brush with death leaves Emanuelle wondering if it is perhaps time to hang up her camera for good."


It plays like a Cinemax movie until about the hour point where theres a few scenes of hardcore sex. The reason this film is also sometimes mentioned as Horror is because at the end a snuff film is seen with some bloody moments of torture.

 

[chris winters]

just saw the pole seen from Canibal Holocaust. very Odd. I wont try and guess if it was real, but it certainly was disturbing. I dont think i will search out the other nasty moments of the film. She definately looks like a native girl, and not the actress from earlier in the movie. The bits I saw from the film were pretty campy, and the violence seemed completely exploitive. Disturbing in terms of visceral shock value, but not in any real context to story as in the violent scenes mentioned from the more mainstream dramas. Any other clues as to whether or not it was an effect or real cadaver? Perhaps it was done with some kind of doll. (this is what i will keep telling myself)

 

[Anthony*B]

Chris, don't let a few "bad apples" dissuade you from checking out the wonderful world of foreign exploitation...there's a lot of really good stuff out there, & a lot of bad too
all my opinions of the "pole scene" in CH are just that...OPINIONS....there really is only the evidence one can see w/ one's own eyes...it's all just a somewhat educated theory on my part, nothing more...other things to note though:
1. notice the bulging in the throat area-difficult to do w/out decent prosthetics (& CH's makeup man-cant remember the neam-was it Maurizio Trani?) but seems to be what would happen if this were perpetrated on someone-this is perhaps the most telling argument in my opinion
2. note as others have that no "bicycle seat" is visible-her "lower area" is shown fairly well in the film from several angles---think about the size of that area on an average sized woman-do you really think she would be able to sit on a seat small enough to hide for more than a few seconds w/ out EXTREME discomfort/pain?
3.compare the effectiveness of this illusion to the other (fairly ham-fisted) known FX shots-they pale in comparison
4.as mentioned before, no behind-the-scenes shots appear to exist from this scene
5.CH has never been legally released in the US...does someone higher up know something we don't? can you think of any other film that is regarded to be the absolute pinnacle of its genre not being readily available on DVD in the biggest market in the world?

but then im a bit of a conspiracy nut, so I may be a bit loopy, hehe

 

[JonZ]

Anthony, I agree with notes 1-4 above.

I definitely noticed the buldging of the throat and it doesnt look, to me, like she can be sitting on something.Her body goes straight up wih he legs hanging almost straight down.

 

[Don Giro]

Which brings us to "Once Were Warriors."

 

[chris winters]

so the most paranoid theory is that they killed a real village girl simply to put a pole through her? Or that they used a real body as a prop and made it work for their film? The first example would be murder, and the second merely unbeleviable crass and disturbing.

 

[Anthony*B]

Chris, the most likely theory is that the filmmakers just found her that way & decided to use it in the film....I am 99.999% certain they didnt kill her (duh) & 95% certain they didnt obtain a corpse to use...I think they just stumbled upon the horrible scene & filmed it
It IS crass & disturbing, but this group of filmmakers SPECIALIZE in crass & disturbing, let's not forget!