most brutal violence (1 Viewer)

[Richard Kim]

The animal sacrifice at the end of Apocalypse Now was real, if I'm not mistaken. Pretty disturbing scene.

 

[chris winters]

whoa, i had no idea about this cult corner of filmaking. I think i will pick up that book and read into it.

 

[Michael Elliott]

Chris, if you want to see one of these cheap about 15 public domain companies released MOUNTAIN OF THE CANNIBAL GOD under the title SLAVE OF THE CANNIBAL GOD. All of these to my knowledge are widescreen and uncut. The "director's cut" from Anchor Bay is a bit higher but it features an additional scenes involving the man and the pig. If you thought the pig scene in DELVERANCE was bad you haven't seen anything yet.

The one thing people might overlook is that most of these films were very well made. They certainly used the violence for shock value but more times than not, these are very well made.

For those who decide to check this stuff out, you'll eventually run into a Spanish director named Jess Franco who has nearly 200 films to his credit with many of those 200 available in different cuts. Something like EXORCISM has at least six different versions. There's VIRGIN AMONG THE LIVING DEAD, which has at least five versions.

 

[Anthony*B]

yeah, Richard, as soon as i hit "submit post" i remembered Apocalypse Now, though technically it was shot overseas

also, to Michael...Ruggero Deodato (dir. of CH) did get in a lot of hot water for CH, but the "girl on the pole" scene is the only one i really question the veracity of...the other scenes are very obvious (and generally poorly done) FX work, but the pole girl just has too many details that makes me think that Deaodato just found that/her & used the oppurtunity to film it...i would never accuse the makers of the film of actually DOING that to an unfortunate woman, but I definitely wouldnt put it past him to FILM it if he found it I wouldnt trust Deodato any further than I could throw him, judging by what I've read (and i have read a lot ), but to discuss it more is futile really

also forgot to mention Man Behind the Sun...one of the most disturbing, gruelling, brutal films ever made....real cadavers were DEFINITELY used in this one, for the record, as well as an unfortunate cat :frowning:

 

[chris winters]

Not sure how far I want to explore this shady corner of filmaking. Right now my mind does not hold these images, and im not sure I want to change that. I dont consider myself squeemish, or a fan of censorship, but these descriptions are fairly repulsive. I have always pruposfully avoided the faces of death series, as I considered them too exploitive of real life tragedy. I will read the book, as the genre now peaks my curiousity, but im not sure I want witness the butchering of animals, and bordeline child porn. :frowning:

 

[chris winters]

if you had to choose say 3 films that accurately represent this genre, what would they be?

 

[Michael Elliott]

No one could be blamed for wanting to skip this stuff. Even the most jaded horror fans are usually turned off by this stuff. I'm in no way, shape or form a supporter of PETA but the violence seen in these films make me very sad.

A very strong warning should go with anyone even thinking about seeing these films.

 

[chris winters]

Anthony and Michael, where did you learn some much about this sub-genre? You both must be huge fans of horror. I consider myself a very avid movie watcher and have yet to cross paths with these titles.

 

[Michael Elliott]

For me, it was breaking away from the mainstream stuff. When you break away from the Hollywood horror I'm sure most fans would suggest the works of Argento, Bava and Fulci. After those guys you've got to dig a little deeper to find these cannibal flicks, although most of the titles I've mentioned have been released in R1 now. However, there are even harder to find titles but I haven't seen any of these yet and I'm really not sure I want to. If they come across my way I'd probably watch them because I will watch anything but I'm not going to search them out.

As for three, CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST is the most infamous, loved and hated of the group. I personally think this is the worst one because it's clear the director is shoving this animal violence in your face. To me, the only reason this stuff is here is so the film can be disgusting. However, this also is loved by many. THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT was certainly a rip off and CH, for the most part, is well made. It also features a brilliant music score but again, the film is pretty hardcore.

The rest of the flicks aren't really horror but jungle adventure films. In some ways, think of an extreme version of TARZAN with cannibals, violence and rape. I enjoy these films a lot more because you can have fun with the adventure in the films. My personally favorite is JUNGLE HOLOCAUST, available from Shriek Show in R1 land. This is from the same guy who made CH. This one was made a year earlier. Up next would probably be CANNIBAL FEROX, which is just outright wild.

All of these are available through www.xploitedcinema.com He's the best seller on the market for the legit DVDs. Jess Franco made three cannibal movies (MONDO CANNIBALE 4, WHITE CANNIBAL QUEEN, THE DEVIL HUNTER) that don't feature any real violence and this is probably why they are forgotten. The films aren't too good but it's a clean way to view the genre.

 

[Inspector Hammer!]

One scene from The Toxic Avenger that is still with me today after seeing it well over 15 or so years ago is the scene where those punks run over that little kids head with their car for fun, crushing it like a pumpkin and then taking polaroids of the mess
I hate that f**king movie for that scene.

Here's one that i'm surprised nobody has mentioned, The Dentist 2. I have a HUGE problem watching anything that has to do with dentistry, you couple that fear with a psychotic dentist, no novacain and an un-willing patient and you have the recipe for an EXTREMELY uncomfortable few minuets. It makes the scene in Marathon Man seem down right timid!

Anything seen in any of those in-human Faces of Death films.

The severe beatings 'Ash' sustains in the Evil Dead series. The man is a living looney toon.

Finally, I have always been severely disturbed by decapitations. Two that come to mind that stayed with me for days afterwards, are in the films Urban Legends: Final Cut and Wrong Turn where two very attractive girls get the axe, or in the case of the former, the broken window. To me, it's the most humiliating and evil way to dispatch someone.

Oh, one more, the demise of poor Ray Liotta in Hannibal. :frowning:

 

[eric tengren]

ALAN CLARKE SCUM

 

[BlakeN]

I dont think I could make it though these cannibal movies you speak of.. I still have flashing visions of Salo every time somone brings up a topic like this and Ive only seen it once and it was 4 years ago.

 

[Anthony*B]

hehe...Salo is a rough one too, Blake, no doubt about it
Chris, Michael Elliot is pretty much right on the money w/ everything he said...these films are by no means mainstream, but neither are they home-made backyard opuses either, they are funded by regular studios and generally directed by some of the most talented folks in their field (Franco notwithstanding, hehe)
Michael, i wish you lived in Missouri, I could buy you a beer sometime...you definitely appear to have the same movie tasted as i do
Chris, dont be afraid to view these films, just be PREPARED, know what I mean? without films (or music or tech or science or anything) that push the envelope like these, "regular" filmmakers would stagnate & become dull & boring....there are some real gems to be found in these "cult" films! it's all about the joy of movies! have fun above all!

 

[BrentWW]

The "dentist" scene in Marathon Man is pretty tough to watch. Even one of the baddies in that scene has to turn away!

"Is it safe?"

 

[Mike.B]

I am not crazy at all about rape scenes. Especially extended ones that go on for more than a few seconds. Very, very unnecessary. We can get the point without having to watch the entire thing.

And my wife absolutely despises them. When I put on a movie at home to watch together, I usually try to be cognizant of whether or not the film contains any such scenes.

 

[JonZ]

"And my wife absolutely despises them"

Most women do. I have a few female friends who wont watch a a film that depicts rape at all. Even Pink Floyd The Wall was too much for one and another closed her eyes and turned her head during the scene in Hearts In Atlantis (a PG13 film)when I saw it with her in the theater.

As for the cannibal flicks I saw a couple years ago - mostly by friends who brought them over to watch.Back in the day(late 80s-mid/late 90s)Mom & Pop stores were full of "hard to find" stuff - before Blockbuster started putting them all out of business.

I didnt have much tolerance for them back then and might view them differently now. The old videos looked absolutely horrible, but that also added a realism to them.I remember seeing Doctor Butcher and thinking it was complete piece of shit and I often quote it as the worst movie Ive ever seen.

Ive always wanted to see Mountain... becuase of Ursula (one of my favs).

 

[Anthony*B]

Doctor Butcher is awesome! what are you talking about? hehe...it's no Doctor Zhivago but it IS a great "party" movie, w/ some of the wildest & most over the top gore scenes around, & it's available uncut domestically from Shriek Show in a great looking print! it is a great time to be alive if you are a collector of obscure horror & cult (as I've said before) - who would have EVER guessed you could go down to your local BB & pick up great looking, completely uncut copies of stuff like Burial Ground, Emmanuelle In America, or Man from Deep River? incredible!!!
if you have a difficult time watching a rape scene or scene of violence, good! it means the director did his job & that you are human & have morals & a conscience...if you watch this stuff & feel NOTHING, then you have a big problem (& beleive me, I know guys like this :frowning: )

 

[Scott Weinberg]

Good calls on American History X and Irreversible. Those were the first two that sprung to mind.

And yes, there's a bit in High Tension that may just make a few lists.

What's the most brutal kill from a F13 flick? I say the machete-to-the-face on the poor wheelchair kid.

Or maybe that walking-upside down idiot who gets chopped vertically.

 

[chris winters]

speaking of real harm to animals, watching house of flyng daggers a couple months ago i noticed the horses being tripped and tumbling on camera. This is a practice that went out in the states, thankfully, but used to be used in westerns. It often breaks the horses legs, which then forces them to be killed. what was the animal scene in Southern Comfort mentioned above?

 

[Matt Butler]

How bout Jasons fist to the chest of Tommy's buddy in Pt 6?
Or the cop being folded in half?