Hank Frankenberg
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Dang Jonathan, you say I get up too early in the morning! Are you building inventory today?
Also, remember that a 4:3 digital projector leaves a 4:3 halo. Be prepared to install black felt/velvet/whatever masking around your 16:9 screen if you don't want the railing below and ceiling above to be lit up.Halo is an issue even with 16:9 projectors. Halo comes from the light 'leakage' from each pixel that is not being used. Obviously when displaying 4:3 material on a 16:9 projector you are going to have a whole lot of left/right halo. But also consider for a moment that very little source material has an aspect material of 16:9. There are a few Disney titles and of course HD that are in 16:9, but the majority of DVDs are in 1.85:1. The next most common aspect ratio (for widescreen) is 2.35:1, and then you have the occasional 'ultra-widescreen' +2.7x:1. In each of these situations you will have top/bottom halo. I can't stress enough how valuable 4-way masking is with EVERY type of projector and as such, rather than worry over halo, consider instead the effect the native resolution might have on the type of material you watch.
Nils -- Have you seen the Immersive? I can't wait to see either the Optoma 76 (which lists at $6K) or the Immersive Virtuoso (which was $5995 on pre-buy). I'm debating whether to upgrade now to an LT240 (maybe out of pocket $1500 if I sell my LT150) or get one of these two HD2s. If I get the Lt240 I'd probably get another projector in 2yrs when (hopefully) some 1080p native models are out and reasonably priced.Dave,
Good to hear from you, its been too long. Yes, I have seen the Virtuoso and in fact spent an entire evening messing around with it last month. I mentioned something about it in the following post: Invitation to view upcoming HD2 projector
It was SPECTACULAR! (and I am not just saying that because they treated us all to a wonderful dinner and gave away a Bravo1 DVI DVD player)
Seriously though, best blacks and shadow detail I have seen yet from any non CRT projector. The new 5x6 color wheel surprisingly made no noise (mine has a subtle high pitch 'whine') and the projector it self was astonishingly quite, but because there was a lot of other electronics in the room that was also on it was difficult to say how quite it truly was. I did place my ear right up against the chassis and still could barely hear anything at all. FF was first rate, and the color acuity was brilliant to say the least!
If the price was a couple thousand less I would have snatched one up, but I just bought my projector a year ago and I know there are some even more interesting FPs around the corner.
I would like to see how the Immersive 'tweaking' compares to that of the other re-badges of NexGen's NHT-720, like Studio Experience's 50HD or TAW's 720. Regardless though, the Virtuoso outperformed the two HD2 big dogs - Sim2 Seleco HT300+ and Runco's VX1000c - and each of those sells for more than twice as much!
I think Runco has finally realized that they are not only out pricing themselves, but that they are also getting out performed due to the rapid fire technological improvements in digital FPs - something they did not have to worry about with their CRT business. Runco only just recently announced some significant drops in their prices, but its hard to see how they are going to get out of the deep hole they dug for themselves. Only time will tell though.
Nils, do you know anything about the new HP vp6120? I can't locate any specs on its color wheel and the HP rep couldn't answer any of my questions. It seems comparable to the Sharp, but is a bit cheaper. I think its OEM is Coretronics but I'm not sure.Doc,
I haven't really looked into any HP models other than what I have read indirectly, but I am fairly sure its OEM is actually BenQ. The BenQ model is the Professional Series DX-660. Boxlight also offers a re-badge of the same projector called the CD-725c. The DX-660 came out last Summer and uses the older 4x3 XGA DLP chip (same as is used in the M20X). I have no idea what color wheel it uses, but a call/email to BenQ technical support should get you the answer you are looking for.
It is a data grade projector which means it will likely need a whole lot of tweaking for HT use. Most importantly its graysacle will probably be off the charts - so maybe we should schedule a time to make that optical comparator you talked about a few weeks back?
It uses the NSH bulb, which so far I have only seen in data grade projectors which may mean some added difficulty in properly adjusting and maintaining 6500D. The M20X uses the SHP bulb and that might be attributing to the slightly better contrast ratio with the M20X.
The 210W lamp produces 2000 lumens so I'd suspect that the fan noise may also be an issue to contend with.
The uncalibrated contrast ratio for the DX-660 was rated at 600:1 and considering the lumen output, I'd expect that translates to some seriously gray blacks and once calibrated for HT use it may be closer to 350:1.
Its got a medium throw and would likely be placed about 12' from your screen with the zoom (manual 1.2) not being used.
As expected there is no lens shift, and it has digital keystone correction.
For inputs, obviously it has RGB, but I believe it has one component as well, but certainly no DVI.
BenQ also advertised that it included a P-I-P (picture-in-picture) feature, which I would think is an odd feature for a data grade projector to have?
When it first came out last Summer I think the MSRP was close to $5,000. Street prices now adays are about $2,500, but that includes an additional $400 replacement lamp.
Within their same Professional Series, BenQ also makes a projector using the latest XGA chip which boosts the contrast ratio from 600:1 to 2000:1. Its not the HD2, but it is based on the same technology. The model is the Professional Series PB8220. This is still a data grade projector, but at least after some tweaking it will offer significantly better results than the DX-660.
BenQ does make one projector for HT use. Its their Cinema Series PE8700 which uses the HD2 chip and the VIP bulb to produce uncalibrated 2000:1 contrast ratio and 1000 lumens. I would still not count on BenQ to have it adequately calibrated for HT use out of the box, but it sounds promising. I think the MSRP is $10,000, but with current pricing conditions I suspect the street prices should be well below that.
First of, the M20X uses TIs first generation 4:3 XGA chipActually, it uses the improved 12 degree double data rate chip...
http://www.projectorcentral.com/sharp_m20x.htm
by breaking each pixel into four, the prism simply makes the normal grid line half the normal size, BUT there are now twice as many grid lines!True dat.
I did some serious playing around with the focus tonight, and it turns out I can "swap sides" and have the OTHER side be smooth and the OTHER side have the grid. Then after a few attempts at getting it perfectly balanced in the middle, I found the precise human-hair width focus ring setting that results in a uniform picture. And yes, the uniform picture has a uniform (but faint) grid. So you win: not 100% FF unless slightly defocused (and I mean SLIGHTLY). At least not on my unit.
I still think the fill factor compares favorably to DLP even considering that there are twice as many grids. DLP grids are twice as dark, and you have a dimple. But there's fill factor as affected by double-grids and dimples, and then there's screendoor as perceived by a human. I maintain that the L300U has less perceived screendoor than a DLP.
The L300U certainly has scanline issues, though, and many people perceive them as "peekaboo screendoor". So good FF or not, I'll concede that it does have "issues" like any PJ in mere-mortal price territory.