MGM:LISTEN GOOD:We're mad, mad, mad about It's a Mad,Mad, Mad, Mad World!

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by JohnS, Jun 7, 2001.

  1. JohnS

    JohnS Producer

    Jan 17, 2001
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    John Steffens
    This is all I have to say
    If your not releasing the FULL road show version, than
    I will be letting other people in stores and my friends know this as well, as to NOT buy this, b/c they are being cheated.
    I am also UPSET of the answer you gave Ron in the chat session about this movie.
    the answer you bascially gave was....just wait and see Ron! Like you had something really good instore. But, it turns out, you just wanted Ron off your back.
    Don't you understand we are the true fans, and you shouldn't let us down?!
    Don't you also know, if you disapoint one person, 5 people will be told about this in return
    If you can't finacially do it, find $$ backers. Find donations. Myself(somebody) or EVEN RON would have maybe even started a donation collection to get things going and help get this movie in the best version it needs to be in.
    I know others(INCLUDING RON) will be able to chime in and give more heartfelt responses, so I will end it here.
    P.S. If you pull the same stunt with UHF..TEMPERS WILL FLARE! If you don't care about restoring good DVD products, then give them up to a studio that cares!
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  2. Ronald Epstein

    Ronald Epstein Founder

    Jul 3, 1997
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    Just to reiterate what I said in the
    current thread located in the SOFTWARE area....
    MGM was well aware for the past 2 years
    that fans wanted the "roadshow" version
    New footage, thought forever lost, was
    recently discovered. An offer was made
    to MGM by restoration experts to restore
    the film to its full roadshow glory.
    MGM would have had our support had they
    decided to wait another year or two to
    release this movie CORRECTLY.
    MGM promised to keep me informed about
    their progress in putting this movie on DVD,
    but instead, kept the information to themselves
    so there would be no backlash...until now.
    With the recently discovered footage (which
    I cannot discuss), a restored "roadshow" version
    would be one of the greatest achievements from
    MGM Home Video. There is no doubt that IAMMMW
    is one of THE greatest comedies of all time
    and a historical representation of the greatest
    and most extensive cast of comedians ever
    assembled in one movie. It is truly a comedy EPIC.
    I am so passionate over this movie -- and it was
    actually the laserdisc boxed set that MGM released
    years ago (with the extra scenes intact) that
    made me appreciate this film even more.
    Fans of this movie truly have no idea what was
    proposed to MGM as far as what could be done with
    this movie now that lost footage was found. It
    would have been a remarkable movie that probably
    almost EXACTLY resembled the original release as
    it was seen in 1963.
    We would have had the overture, extended scenes,
    and a really great treat somewhere inbetween if
    only MGM had been patient and waited for someone
    to do this release justice -- and trust me --
    they had been contacted.
    Up until this point, this forum has gone out
    of their way to support MGM and their desire to
    really turn their reputation around. This is
    nothing short of a black eye, in my opinion.
    And, for them to promise to keep in touch with
    us and consider our input only seems to be
    worthless promises.
    Again, I am upset because I have waited a long
    time for this movie to be done correctly, and
    from all indications, it was an opportunity that
    was clearly in MGM's grasp and they chose not to
    seize the opportunity.
    I try to treat all the studios fairly. When
    I love something, you guys can't help but to read
    about my enthusiasm. When something bothers me
    greatly, like this, I will give it just as much
    equal time.
    We appreciate the fact the studios look to
    this forum for our feedback, and are usually very
    kind to us. However, I would do this forum a
    huge injustice if I didn't speak out against any
    studio I felt was doing their fanbase an injustice.
    Please press MGM to do this title correctly.
    Ronald Epstein (pronounced like the English "Ronald Epstein")
    Circa 2000
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  3. george kaplan

    george kaplan Executive Producer

    Mar 14, 2001
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    This terrible news has forced me to cross off my most wanted purchase this year off my list. And I mean more wanted than Godfather, Back to the Future, Star Wars, etc.
    The fact that you didn't do this right and add in the new footage is disappointing. The fact that instead of using the ld version, you edited it down and gave us less is abhorent. How this was any cheaper or will make you more money is beyond me. The ld version was just sitting there for the taking so you wouldn't have had to spend any extra money, and you would have made a hell of a lot more sales than you're going to now.
    This is, besides an affront to film lovers, a really bad business decision. Unbelievable.
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  4. Rain

    Rain Producer

    Mar 21, 2001
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    Well, this is unfortunate. Having seen some of their more recent releases, it seemed like MGM was at least stepping up the effort a little bit. Apparently, I over estimated them.
  5. Jim Bivins

    Jim Bivins Stunt Coordinator

    May 7, 2001
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    I definately will not order this disc...and I may cancel many other MGM titles I have pre-ordered in protest!
    Get with the program MGM, your catalog titles are all that keep you alive at this point!
    Sincerely disapointed
  6. Jason Whyte

    Jason Whyte Screenwriter

    Jun 3, 1999
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    Also tremendously disappointed after reading Ron's many excellent posts about the film, which is still unseen by me. MGM has to get into the film restoration game and better preserve their films. They way they are doing this now looks to me like they think the DVD format is VHSII.
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  7. Mark C.

    Mark C. Supporting Actor

    May 21, 1999
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    MGM: If you're not going to do it right, DON'T DO IT.
  8. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Second Unit

    Feb 25, 2001
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    MGM If your trying to annoy the people who WANT to purchase your product, you doing a damn fine job of going about it.
    There is no excuse for this shortened version - Fox, Universal and Columbia to name a few would not release a film if a better more complete version was available - this is either a really bad decision or lazyness, in either case inexcusable.
    And in case anybody's interested, I believe that Ultra Panavision 70 - which it was filmed in - has an aspect ration of 2.75:1, if as has been leaked, the DVD is at 2.55:1 it's not only missing footage it's also cropped as well.
  9. Gerard Priori

    Gerard Priori Stunt Coordinator

    Jan 14, 1999
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    I agree with the expressed sentiment. I'd rather wait an extra year or so for the disc to be produced correctly (from a properly restored film element replicating the original Roadshow version). I understand that the disc is already in production, but I ask you to please reconsider and stop production until the disc can be produced properly.
  10. EricK

    EricK Second Unit

    Jan 22, 1999
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    I also agree with all of the above statements. MGM, if you want my business (which includes my friends and their friends and so on....) then you will have to put more effort into your releases. Reading that MGM will be releasing a bastardized version of IAMMMMW does not sit well with me. Please reconsider your decision in this matter and release the full roadshow version with all footage.
    Thanks, Eric.
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  11. Arun Vajpey

    Arun Vajpey Stunt Coordinator

    May 18, 2001
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    I only just learned that one of the movies that I waited years for a 'proper' viewing, is to be released in its hated cropped version. I was wildly enthusiastic initially to hear that 'It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world' was going to be released on DVD but this news is a major slap in the face. If there is anything worse than not releasing a popular film on DVD it is releasing an incomplete version of it. I think all us consumers should consider this as a major affrontary by MGM and BOYCOTT this DVD until they release it in the full 'Roadshow' version. I think a big studio like MGM should make that extra effort to add the addtional footage as soon as possible and satisfy its customers, not bicker about a few extra dollars. If they choose to, they can always recoup their added expenses by charging, say, $2 more than what they have in mind for this unwanted cropped edition.
    I think Forum members should discuss this with their friends and other forums (eg DVD Talk) and press home this boycott. An en masse effort is bound to get some action from MGM.
  12. GregK

    GregK Screenwriter

    Nov 22, 2000
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    I agree with with almost everything that's been posted
    previously on this thread, but what also sickens me is
    MGM's total lack of communication regarding this project.
    MGM, if you're going to release a bare-bones release, at
    least have the balls to admit it, and also explain your
    reasoning for doing so. ..If you're going to try to
    re-release this classic with bells and whistles later,
    do yourself a PR favor and TELL US. We as consumers will
    only tolerate so many double releases: Princess Bride..
    opps let's release that like we should have! Escape from
    New York, but after the bare bones copy has been out..
    "oh yeah, a SE is on the way". Alamo, with no Roadshow
    version, but now the word is another version is also on
    the way. (Cough, cough, PLATOON! Cough cough)
    Pretty soon the HT community will come to learn to ignore
    any MGM 1st DVD release and wait for something better.
    Of course if the 1st release if the best MGM is going to
    offer, we won't know that, and MGM simply won't get our money. [​IMG]
  13. John Knowles

    John Knowles Stunt Coordinator

    May 17, 1999
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    Nothing more really to add to what has been expressed well here already. I too was interested in this DVD and now I will have to pass on buying it. You may have saved some $$$ in the short term by doing a quick job on this release, but long term, the ill will you've gotten over this plus the lack of exitement over any new footage restored to the film could very well cost you even more.
    Please GET A CLUE!
  14. Greg_M

    Greg_M Screenwriter

    Mar 23, 2000
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    I too am crossing this title off my "to buy list". I have stopped buying MGM DVD's altogether. Unless MGM starts doing justice to their releases, I will continue to pass on their films. Both "Mad Mad World" and "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" are beatuifully produced on laserdisc, so there's no reason to support MGM's DVD sales. In any event, I'll probably pass on the DVD versions of these films if they ever come out properly, since by that time the next home video format should be arriving, so why waste the money.
  15. John Stockton

    John Stockton Second Unit

    Jan 9, 2000
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    I am very surprised that MGM allegedly spent a lot of money restoring "The Greatest Story Ever Told" but does not want to do the same for what obviously seems to be a better film. I also will not be purchasing this title if it is not the full Roadshow version and I will tell everyone else not to either.
    Also cropping the original 2.76 ratio to 2.55 is totally unacceptable.
    MGM, you need to wake up and smell the roses: Quality over Quantity!!!
  16. Glenn Overholt

    Glenn Overholt Producer

    Mar 24, 1999
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    I think we need to set up another chat with MGM and find out what they were thinking!
  17. Steve Peterson

    Steve Peterson Stunt Coordinator

    Jan 3, 1999
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    Thanks MGM. Thanks for nothing. I was looking forward to this, but not anymore. I will also be telling my friends who want this one to forget it. It is NOT the movie we wanted.
    Steve "MGM sure screwed the pooch on this one." Peterson
  18. Eric Paddon

    Eric Paddon Screenwriter

    Mar 17, 2001
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    I think it's questionable as to how much MGM really "restored" GSET other than presenting it in its true aspect ratio for the first time. A lot of cut material from that film has supposedly been unearthed that MGM refused to restore just as has been the case it would seem with IAMMMMW.
  19. Brian York

    Brian York Stunt Coordinator

    Jan 17, 1999
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    MGM -
    This title is yet ANOTHER one that has been on my must-get-on-DVD list since the start.
    Unlike previously(Princess Bride, Escape From N.Y., etc.), I WILL NOT be buying the first version you foist on us, but will wait until you do the right thing, and give this title the restoration it so deserves.
    Shame on you for not taking care with your titles, and shame on you also for the way you lead Ron Epstein on.
    Brian York
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  20. CaptDS9E

    CaptDS9E Cinematographer

    Apr 18, 1999
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    I have stopped buying all MGM dvd's period since the Rocky Set garbage. I was going to get stargate and so on but there are plenty of movies out there

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