General Discussion Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase 5 General Discussion (Spoilers discussed for All Films -- Please Read First Post) (1 Viewer)

[Adam Lenhardt]

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This thread will contain spoilers so if there is any MCU film you haven't seen yet, the reading of this thread is at your own peril. Again, MCU spoilers will be discussed in this thread without any warnings.

A general thread for discussion related to multiple MCU movies and TV shows in Phase 5.

Known titles for Phase 5 (last updated: 05/26/2023):

#	Title	Type	Release Date	Director	Writer	Status
1	Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania	Motion Picture	02/17/2023	Peyton Reed	Jeff Loveness	In Theaters
2	Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3	Motion Picture	05/05/2023	James Gunn	Kevin Feige	In Theaters
3	"Secret Invasion" Season 1	TV Series	06/21/2023	Thomas Bezucha and Ali Selim	Kyle Bradstreet	Post-production
4	"Loki" Season 2	TV Series	10/06/2023	Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead	Eric Martin	Post-production
5	The Marvels	Motion Picture	11/10/2023	Nia DaCosta	Megan McDonnell, Nia DaCosta, Elissa Karasik, and Zeb Wells	Post-production
6	"What If...?" Season 2	TV Series	Late 2023	Bryan Andrews	A. C. Bradley	In Production
7	"Echo" Season 1	TV Series	Early 2024	Sydney Freeland and Catriona McKenzie	Marion Dayre	Post-production
8	"X-Men '97" Season 1	TV Series	Early 2024	TBA	Beau DeMayo	Post-production
9	Captain America: Brave New World	Motion Picture	07/26/2024	Julius Onah	Malcolm Spellman & Dalan Musson	Post-production
10	"Agatha: Darkhold Diaries" Season 1	TV Series	Fall 2024	Jac Schaeffer, Gandja Monteiro, and Rachel Goldberg	Jac Schaeffer	Post-production
11	Thunderbolts	Motion Picture	12/20/2024	Jake Schreier	Eric Pearson	Impacted by WGA Strike
12	Blade	Motion Picture	02/14/2025	Yann Demange	Michael Starrbury	Impacted by WGA Strike
13	"Daredevil: Born Again"	TV Series	TBD	TBA	Matt Corman & Chris Ord	Impacted by WGA Strike
14	"Ironheart" Season 1	TV Series	TBD	Sam Bailey and Angela Barnes	Chinaka Hodge	Post-production

Spoilers won't be needed for any MCU film, including new movies as soon as they release in North America.
Spoilers of MCU Disney+ series should be in spoiler tags until last episode of season has aired.

 

[Alex...]

A new rumour claims that any projects released between Doomsday and Secret Wars

Spoiler

will take place in the Patchwork Reality

 

[Sam Favate]

Or we could just have a street-level Spider-Man movie with Daredevil and the Kingpin that has nothing to do with outer space.

I have to say that the first Secret Wars series came at the tail-end of my comic book reading days, and it was an incentive to give it up. I could see that it was little more than a craven opportunity for more money. It gave readers a story where all the characters they loved came together but it was a story that made little sense. I have no idea what the series from 10 years ago was about, but hopefully it’s better, especially since it’s the basis for the next big Avengers film. I definitely don’t have fond memories of Secret Wars. (At least DC’s big crossover at the time, Crisis on Infinite Earths, honored the past and changed the future of that universe. Marvel’s did not. DC has now made that series in live action, both with the Arrowverse shows and last year’s Flash movie, which also featured every iteration of the company’s filmed product from the beginning. As good as I thought Deadpool & Wolverine was, it hit the same notes, albeit in a more entertaining fashion.)

 

[Jake Lipson]

I figured this would be as good a spot to post this as any.

 

[Desslar]

Or we could just have a street-level Spider-Man movie with Daredevil and the Kingpin that has nothing to do with outer space.

I have to say that the first Secret Wars series came at the tail-end of my comic book reading days, and it was an incentive to give it up. I could see that it was little more than a craven opportunity for more money. It gave readers a story where all the characters they loved came together but it was a story that made little sense. I have no idea what the series from 10 years ago was about, but hopefully it’s better, especially since it’s the basis for the next big Avengers film. I definitely don’t have fond memories of Secret Wars. (At least DC’s big crossover at the time, Crisis on Infinite Earths, honored the past and changed the future of that universe. Marvel’s did not. DC has now made that series in live action, both with the Arrowverse shows and last year’s Flash movie, which also featured every iteration of the company’s filmed product from the beginning. As good as I thought Deadpool & Wolverine was, it hit the same notes, albeit in a more entertaining fashion.)

I agree about keeping Spider-man out of space for the most part...

I come at Secret Wars from a different angle though. That was the first big company-wide event title I read, and I was thrilled by it at the time. Very cool to see all those characters in the same place. In retrospect, it isn't the most exciting of storylines - a lot of scenes of characters bickering amongst themselves - but it is memorable for several things:
Prominent roles for characters that weren't really A-list at the time (as far as I was aware) - Klaw, Molecule Man, etc.
Epic showdown between Doom and the Beyonder
Fantastic Mike Zeck artwork throughout
And the black Spidey suit of course

Not sure I really need to see a move about this, but I guess it could be fun, at least to see all those villains working together.

 

[TravisR]

I agree about keeping Spider-man out of space for the most part...

I come at Secret Wars from a different angle though. That was the first big company-wide event title I read, and I was thrilled by it at the time. Very cool to see all those characters in the same place. In retrospect, it isn't the most exciting of storylines - a lot of scenes of characters bickering amongst themselves - but it is memorable for several things:
Prominent roles for characters that weren't really A-list at the time (as far as I was aware) - Klaw, Molecule Man, etc.
Epic showdown between Doom and the Beyonder
Fantastic Mike Zeck artwork throughout
And the black Spidey suit of course

Not sure I really need to see a move about this, but I guess it could be fun, at least to see all those villains working together.

I don't think it matters whether the Secret Wars comic books are good or bad because the movies have never, to the best of my knowledge, truly adapted the comics. They use the broad strokes of that story and make the movie that they want.

 

[Desslar]

I don't think it matters whether the Secret Wars comic books are good or bad because the movies have never, to the best of my knowledge, truly adapted the comics. They use the broad strokes of that story and make the movie that they want.

And that's where things get confusing for me. It used to be (pre-2000?) that the relationship between comic book movies and comics, and other media (TV, etc.) was rather loose. They sometimes adopted ideas from each other, but not in any consistent way, and in general seemed to be free to do whatever they wanted to do. That seemed fine to me - multiple continuities, character designs, etc. to enjoy.

In the case of today's Marvel, it seems like the movies still go their own way, occasionally adapting story elements from the comics. But, unless I'm mistaken, it appears that the main comic titles, TV shows, etc. closely follow the continuity established in the movies. I would have thought the adaptations (movies) would follow the lead of the source material (comics), rather than the other way around.

 

[Adam Lenhardt]

And the black Spidey suit of course

It's crazy that we finally have an opportunity to tell Venom's origin story right on the big screen, and it probably won't happen because Sony rushed the Tom Hardy Venom movies out of the gate.

Ideally the fourth Tom Holland Spider-Man would have been a standalone pre-Secret Wars, and then a fifth Tom Holland Spider-Man picking up immediately after Secret Wars would have told the black Spidey suit story right.

 

[TravisR]

In the case of today's Marvel, it seems like the movies still go their own way, occasionally adapting story elements from the comics. But, unless I'm mistaken, it appears that the main comic titles, TV shows, etc. closely follow the continuity established in the movies. I would have thought the adaptations (movies) would follow the lead of the source material (comics), rather than the other way around.

I haven't really read Marvel superhero comics in many years but as a long-time comic book reader, it's impossible to not notice some Marvel stuff and it sure seems like everyone in the comics now resemble their movie counterparts.

 

[Alex...]

Rumor:

Marvel Studios reportedly cannot use any Spider-man villains that Sony already used.

Sony's SSMU Movies May Be Limiting The Number Of SPIDER-MAN Villains Available To Marvel Studios

A new rumor is claiming that any villain introduced in Sony Pictures' Spider-Man based movies "blocks" Marvel Studios from using that same character down the line...

comicbookmovie.com

 

[Adam Lenhardt]