General Discussion Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase 5 General Discussion (Spoilers discussed for All Films -- Please Read First Post) (1 Viewer)

[Adam Lenhardt]

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A general thread for discussion related to multiple MCU movies and TV shows in Phase 5.

Known titles for Phase 5 (last updated: 02/18/2023):

#	Title	Type	Release Date	Director	Writer	Status
1	Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania	Motion Picture	02/17/2023	Peyton Reed	Jeff Loveness	Post-production
2	"Secret Invasion" Season 1	TV Series	Early 2023	Thomas Bezucha and Ali Selim	Kyle Bradstreet	Post-production
3	Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3	Motion Picture	05/05/2023	James Gunn	Kevin Feige	Post-production
4	The Marvels	Motion Picture	11/10/2023	Nia DaCosta	Megan McDonnell, Nia DaCosta, Elissa Karasik, and Zeb Wells	Post-production
5	"Loki" Season 2	TV Series	Mid-2023	Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead	Eric Martin	Post-production
6	"Daredevil: Born Again"	TV Series	Early 2024	TBA	Matt Corman & Chris Ord	Pre-production
7	Captain America: New World Order	Motion Picture	05/03/2024	Julius Onah	Malcolm Spellman & Dalan Musson	Pre-production
8	Thunderbolts	Motion Picture	07/26/2024	Jake Schreier	Eric Pearson	Pre-production
9	Blade	Motion Picture	09/06/2024	Yann Demange	Michael Starrbury	Pre-production
10	"What If...?" Season 2	TV Series	TBD	Bryan Andrews	A. C. Bradley	In Production
11	"Agatha: Coven of Chaos" Season 1	TV Series	TBD	Jac Schaeffer, Gandja Monteiro, and Rachel Goldberg	Jac Schaeffer	In Production
12	"Ironheart" Season 1	TV Series	TBD	Sam Bailey and Angela Barnes	Chinaka Hodge	Post-production
13	"Echo" Season 1	TV Series	TBD	Sydney Freeland and Catriona McKenzie	Marion Dayre	Post-production

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[Adam Lenhardt]

 

[Sam Favate]

That's an ambitious slate for 2023-24, but I'm afraid that most of those streaming shows won't show up on time. I've heard nothing of What If Season 2 being ready before summer, and have read about delays for Echo, possibly to 2024. Of course, delays for Echo could affect Daredevil.

If Daredevil begins on time (early 2024), it is more likely it will tie into the next Spider-Man movie, which is said to be planned for July 2024. IMO, they'd be lucky to make December 2024.

Also missing from the list is Deadpool 3, which comes Nov. 2024.

 

[Alex...]

Better quality.

 

[Keith Cobby]

Just Secret Invasion for me.

 

[Ross Gowland]

And for me, just Ant-Man 3 and Guardians 3 because I like the leads, enjoyed the previous instalments, and I'm hoping they're more SF than superhero as I'm bored now of the latter.

 

[TonyD]

Didn’t What If s2 get bumped back to late this year or sometime next?

 

[Jake Lipson]

Didn’t What If s2 get bumped back to late this year or sometime next?

My understanding is that it will be sometime this year but they haven't set a date yet. As far as I know, none of the Disney+ shows coming this year have been officially dated yet. The studio seems focused on launching Quantumania right now. I'm sure news about the TV side of things will come in due course.

I'm hoping they're more SF than superhero as I'm bored now of the latter.

You might be looking in the wrong place then.

 

[TonyD]

I don’t even know what SF stands for…. Anyway..

Only mentioned the What If thing because I saw in that grid that it’s early ‘23 and it doesn’t seem likely that will happen.

 

[Jake Lipson]

I don’t even know what SF stands for…. Anyway..

I can't speak for Rose but I think it means "sci-fi." At least that's what made sense to me.

Only mentioned the What If thing because I saw in that grid that it’s early ‘23 and it doesn’t seem likely that will happen.

That is a good point. Maybe it was moved back. I don't really mind. I'm sure I'll watch the shows, but I'm not on pins and needless waiting for a schedule announcement.

 

[Ross Gowland]

Science-Fiction, yes. Must be a British expression not used elsewhere.

But as I said, I enjoyed the previous Guardians and Ant-Man films as science-fiction adventures, so will give these a go.

 

[Sam Favate]

The Marvels is moving to Nov. 10.

 

[TravisR]

The Marvels is moving to Nov. 10.

Probably a smart move. The summer is pretty crowded and Marvel will run over anything playing in November.

 

[jayembee]

Science-Fiction, yes. Must be a British expression not used elsewhere.

No, "SF" has been used to mean that for decades.

 

[Tino]

No, "SF" has been used to mean that for decades.

I would say the term Sci-Fi is way more prevalent here in the US.

 

[TonyD]

I would say the term Sci-Fi is way more prevalent here in the US.

That’s why I said it. Hardly ever see anyone call it SF.

 

[jayembee]

I would say the term Sci-Fi is way more prevalent here in the US.

When the term "sci-fi" came into wide use, it was mainly used by people who weren't science fiction fans. Science fiction fans continued to use "SF". As science fiction became more mainstream, more and more people became fans and "sci-fi" became more common.

Those of us who are old fart fans of the genre, though, don't tend to use "sci-fi". Admittedly, it's a snobbish thing. Back in the day, the mainstream didn't take science fiction very seriously, and fans felt that "sci-fi" was too cutesy a term, and as such just added to the belief that SF wasn't to be taken seriously.

 

[Tino]

When the term "sci-fi" came into wide use, it was mainly used by people who weren't science fiction fans. Science fiction fans continued to use "SF". As science fiction became more mainstream, more and more people became fans and "sci-fi" became more common.

Those of us who are old fart fans of the genre, though, don't tend to use "sci-fi". Admittedly, it's a snobbish thing. Back in the day, the mainstream didn't take science fiction very seriously, and fans felt that "sci-fi" was too cutesy a term, and as such just added to the belief that SF wasn't to be taken seriously.

I’m 60 years old and have been a sci-fi fan all my life and I don’t recall SF ever being used. Weird.

 

[Tino]

Here an interesting article I found.

Science Fiction vs SciFi vs SF: what is the true definition?​

Hard SF n not satisfied with claiming scientific credibility, many writers of made-up stories further distinguish their work by only making up stories based on ideas drawn from the hard sciences. In particular, physics. Unless, that is, they happen to need a faster-than-light engine to transport characters across the universe, in which case they just ignore physics all together. See also aliens, time travel etc.

Sci-fi n Star Wars made “sci-fi” big business. But for many, it is not true science fiction because it has no basis in science. In fact, most of what the general public thinks of as science fiction is viewed with some disdain by core science fiction fans, who dismiss it as “sci-fi” or “skiffy”. Sci-fi became an early catch all term for many related things, like video games and RPGs, that are now more often called Geek or Nerd Culture.

SF abbreviation because science fiction fans didn’t like “sci-fi”, they started abbreviating what they did like to “SF”. Pronounced “ess eff”, not “sniff”. Because no one knows what SF means, writers and fans are forever telling people it means “science fiction” before then correct people when they say, “Oh, you mean sci-fi,” which tends to annoy both parties. If someone says “I read / write SF” you know you’re talking to a true believer.

Speculative fiction n now things get complicated. Because lots of science fiction writers don’t actually have any science in their SF, they call it “speculative fiction” instead. To make matters worse, even though it’s specifically not science fiction, speculative fiction likewise gets abbreviated to SF. This has also become the default term for literary writers who want to write fiction with science in it, but without calling it science fiction.

So, to recap. Science fiction is a genre consisting of made-up stories with science in. Unless the stories are sci-fi, which doesn’t have science but is what most people think of as science fiction. Unless it’s called SF, of course, which most people think means “San Francisco”. Or speculative fiction, which is what posh people call sci-fi.

Phew! Right, now then.

Science Fiction vs SciFi vs SF: what is the true definition?

If there’s one thing science fiction fans love, it’s an argument. And if there’s one argument they love more than all others, it’s the attempt to define what science fiction…

damiengwalter.com

 

[TonyD]

I’m sports oriented in a lot of things so when I see SF I think it’s related to a San Fran team