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Mannix is Coming! (All things Mannix w/spoilers)

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by Hank Dearborn, Sep 20, 2007.

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    I held off on ordering the complete series to see if amazon prime day would have a sale. Instead, they raised the price by $10 on prime day so I decided to wait, again, until the price dropped back to the $88 range where it had been for several weeks before that. I happily pressed the "Place Order" button just now after seeing that the price came down to $75 :3dglasses: I like that price. I wonder how much CBS/Paramount likes it. That seems awfully low at less than $10 per season.

    With Harry-N's post in mind I've been watching the episodes on MeTV this week and noticed, for the first time, that the picture quality is sometimes better and sometimes worse and it seems to vary according to episode. Can't wait to get these discs.
     
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    I don't doubt it, as great as the picture quality is on them!
     
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    One word about the picture quality. Fantastic. Superb. Amazing. Spectacular. Awesome. Have I said enough"one" words? This show just blows me away with how pristine the series looks. It is on par with WWW, M:I, Gunsmoke and Perry Mason.

    Currently watching the third disc, S1, Ep. 9 - Huntdown

    Steve Inhat (Garth of Izar), Ford Rainey, Paul Stevens, Sandra Smith (Dr. Janice Lester)

    Interesting 1st act, great set-up. Seems to be an actual mystery with the townspeople all in on the secret. I remember several stories with this same structure, but I always enjoy this type of story when done well. The cast is also very impressive in this one. I like Mannix on his own stories. Hiding behind bales of hay while being hunted by heavy equipment seems slightly inefficient, especially with an injured foot. Interesting what he can do in his semi-stupor. Sure wish my hands were that steady (and I am not drugged :rolleyes:). Anthrax!!! Good story.

    Really enjoying the banter between Joe and Lew.

    Gotta love all of the jazzy riffs on that Mannix theme.
     
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    S1, Ep. 10 - Coffin For A Clown

    Norman, Fell Mr. Roper), Gabriel Dell, Frank Campanella, Whitney Blake (Mrs. B), Diana Muldaur (Rosalind Shays, Dr. Pulaski). Christopher Knight (Peter Brady)

    Child custody with a twist, the child is the victim? Another episode with some mighty impressive stunt work. Underachiever brother idolized by Overachiever brother. Dune buggies, are we in the 60's or what??? Sure am digging the vibe on this one.

    Curious if this is the same set for Mannix's office/apartment used in this episode and at least one prior ep. Also noticing the extensive use of the Desilu/Paramount backlot. Custody for an inheritance? Shame on Mr. Roper and Mr. Loman. Let's all go to the quarry. Clue to Mr. Loman - "didn't really want the kid!" No trial need, goodbye Mr. Loman. Intriguing story and good trick with the name by Mannix.
     
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    Now you've got me curious. I'll load up S1 E10 first when I get my DVDs on Monday and look for it.

    It's easy to see how they wanted to break out of the season 1 "Joe works for an agency" mold. It allowed them to really expand the range of storylines. I really do like many of the Season 1 episodes and the interaction between Mannix and Lew Wickersham. Even though Lew was the boss, he kew he wasn't always right and begrudgingly let Joe do it his way. Two old war buddies with a bond of friendship forged in Korea. Two completely different people and personalities with great respect for one another. It's a shame we didn't get to see at least a few episodes in the later seasons with Lew Wickersham playing a part in the story.
     
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    S1, Ep. 11 - A Catalogue of Sins

    Percy Rodrigues (Dr. Daystrom), Joe Maross, Joe Mantell, Jennifer Billingsley, Richard Bakalyan, Fay Spain

    A theft involved in a blackmail plot. Mannix is clocked on the head again (1 of approx. 55 times). Loved the encyclopedia salesman in act 1. Joe and Lew still very interesting in their banter. Scenery looks a lot like Mission:Impossible. I know it is because it is a Desilu show. Psychiatrist is playing it to close to his vest to suit me. Enjoying the "western" street fight between Mannix and Bradley (P. Rodrigues). Nice cinematic touch and look to this episode.

     
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    S1, Ep. 12 - Turn Every Stone

    Dabbs Greer, Linden Chiles, Nita Talbot (Marya), Lloyd Gough, John Crawford (Commissioner Ferris), Hampton Fancher, Noam Pitlik, G. D. Spradlin (I'd recognize that voice anywhere), Madge Blake (Aunt Harriett)

    A very 60's guest cast. Once again a variation on the blackmail theme. Interesting to see that Intertect has branches. An encouraging addition. Good to see that Joe is still bossing the "bosses". I never knew that actual readable information was printed on the reverse of data entry cards (Traynor handed Joe a pink card with info about a "green car"). Pretty interesting case along with some great location work.

     
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    Once I start watching my DVDs I'll probably go straight through all 8 seasons. I plan to keep a tally sheet for the number of times Joe gets clocked, shot and shot AT, i.e number of bullets fired in his general direction. It will be interesting to compare with all the other numbers out there in different articles and reviews.
     
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    DVDs arrived :thumbsup: and I watched all of S1 E9 before realizing your question about the sets was about S1 E10. So I ended up watching both. There were some rough similarities between some of the interior sets towards the end and Mannix's office/apartment in subsequent seasons, but I don't think they were the same. The stairs-with-a-landing concept is one used heavily in Mannix and this is just a variation on a theme, I think.

    The DVDs are great, as far as I can tell. I suppose it's a downside to the purchase of any large set of discs, but there's no way to tell if all of them are in working order until you play them! Which means fingers crossed that someone, Amazon hopefully, will replace a disc 6 months from now if I find one deep in Season 7 or 8 that's defective.

    The new orange-ish box is a little flimsy but the 2 plastic disc boxes inside of it are sturdy enough. The disc-holder flaps come right out of the plastic boxes, which is fine since they're not supposed to be attached at the spine, the prongs that hold each disc in place are a pain in the neck when trying to take a disc out, and the discs are translucent and hard to identify. If all the discs were taken out and placed in one big pile on a table, it would take at least an hour to sort them all because they all look the same until you examine them closely. Episode titles are not printed on the discs themselvses, you have to refer to the plastic case wraparound inserts to figure that out. But these are minor issues in the grand scheme of things.

    The picture quality is indeed very good and meets every expectation so far. The sound is also very good. Much better than MeTV which seems to zero out the sound completely when the original audio track drops below a certain level. They do that on multiple shows, probably to save bandwidth, but I find it distracting and annoying.

    I also compared an episode that I had on DVR with one of the DVDs. It's amazing what they cut out on MeTV. Half or even whole conversations go missing on MeTV. In the aforementioned S1 E10 "Coffin for a Clown", Mannix goes to talk to a shady rug dealer and has a conversation with him in Armenian that lasts a couple of minutes. In the MeTV version of the episode that entire conversation is missing.

    MeTV does an OK job with their cropping to make the original SD video fill a 16:9 widescreen TV, but having the original 4:3 video is a beautiful thing. I have no real complaints about the content. It would have been nice if there were more bonus audio tracks with the actors/directors/producers providing commentary, but that's not really a complaint.

    So far I am very happy with this purchase (down another few dollars to $72 from late last week).
     
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    S1. Ep. 13 - Run, Sheep, Run

    Ruta Lee, Malachi Throne (Commodore Mendez), John Abbot (Ayelbourne), Richard Devon, Joyce Van Patten

    Suprised by the station break cliffhanger, did not see that one coming. Mannix taking on the captain - great. Other than that turn, this episode was pretty easy to figure out. Watchable due to the cast. Great to see Lew still standing behind all of Mannix's decisions.

    Due to familiarity with the later seasons of Mannix and almost any "classic" detective shows, I am finding these mysteries not so mysterious, but I am still drawn to these stories due to Mike Connors impressive believability as Joe. His performance comes across as very natural. It seems he is not playing Joe so much as being Joe. It is hard to explain why the show works, but it just does for me. Even the poorly scripted episodes still have that basic characterization nailed. That always makes the episode very watchable.

    Just a little detour folks.
     
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    S1, Ep. 14 - Then the Drink Takes the Man

    John Anderson (TZ, almost every western), Lynda Day George (M:I), Sean McClory (Follow Me Boys), Julie Adams (Perry's guilty client), Eddie Firestone

    Lynda Day George-one of my first television crushes playing a daughter to John Anderson. Mannix "married" to Julie Adams (wow) and being brought in as a falling down drunk. Probably one of the best teasers. Of course, I knew it had to be some kind of undercover, especially in light of the prior episode. Seems they would have spread these episodes out some so that there would be no obvious duplication of situations. Nevertheless, a pretty good episode with a rather, for the time, suprise ending.
     
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    S1. Ep. 15 - Falling Star

    Jan Sterling, Marian Seldes, Douglas Henderson, Lee Bergere, w/cameos by Army Archerd & Rona Barrett

    One of the worst episodes so far - cliche ridden and the most annoying guest turn yet. I didn't like her and and I found this episode hard to sit through and to stay awake for. Not much to recommend.

    S1. Ep. 16 - License to Kill-Limit Three People

    Peter Haskell (Bracken's World), Karen Black (Wow???), Wright King (Wanted: Dead or Alive), cameo Clete Roberts-newscaster

    I found this one to be more intriguing. Obviously, the escaped man is innocent but the journey to finding this out was very interesting. Also interesting to see the obstacle training course for Intertect.
     
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    Wow, thanks Doug Wallen for your gestalt on these various episodes. I agree that S1E15 "Falling Star" is not the greatest and it's one of those that could have appeared on any show. Not one that I would envision as a "Mannix" episode.

    I haven't posted in a while but I did finish Season 1 and I've lost a bit of track of which episodes had which scene but two stand out. One involves Lew making a reference to the term "cybernetics" which probably sounded really "out there" in 1968 but from today's standpoint I think it's cool to hear it referenced so far back. A different episode involved Lew stating that Joe needed to grow up and Joe's reaction was hilarious! I do remember the two-part episode "Deadfall" being enticing to watch and it finally shows us what Lew is going through that he has to take so many headache pills and, in a sense, he and Joe share the spotlight.

    But my main reason for posting is that most recently I watched S2, Ep 7 "Edge of the Knife" and that is by far my favorite so far. A touching story about a boy who is kidnapped and the effect on his family and other acquaintances, it is very well acted and does particularly well on character development. But the music is also excellent in this episode, good enough to be a film soundtrack.

    Several posters have mentioned the picture quality. If you ask me, I'd say it's pretty darn good if you can see the highlights in Mike Connors' hair ;)
     
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    (On a "technical" offtopic tangent).

    To get around this issue, I always check all my newly purchased dvds (and blurays) on the computer by extracting the undecrypted isos from each disc in a set. If a single disc has any unreadable bad sectors due to manufacturing defects, I go back to the retailer and do an exchange (or refund).

    For example, I recently purchased the Bones complete series dvd set which is a 67 discs set. I spent this past weekend going through all 67 discs on the computer, where all 67 discs were determined to be fine with no bad sectors due to manufacturing defects.

    (This style of checking dvd/bluray discs is probably not for the faint of heart). ;)
     
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    I salute you for having the fortitude for going through that in one weekend. If it was me, I'd be so frustrated at how slow the process was I wouldn't even want to watch the shows after that ordeal. Can't deny, however, that that's exactly what needs to be done in order to verify that the product is not defective.

    If I was going to do that I'd want to archive the VOBs for safekeeping, so with Mannix that would be roughly 50 discs x 10 GB per disc = half a terabyte of data. That's not an extreme amount of disk space with today's 1 TB drives, but it's still a fair chunk.
     
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    For a 6 discs season set, it only takes a bit over an hour to check all six discs on a single desktop computer.

    On my current setup, it takes around 11 minutes to check one fully packed 8.5 gigabytes dvd disc. A single layer 4.5 gigabytes dvd disc takes less than 5 minutes to check.

    I can speed this up further, if I also run one of my old computers at the same time checking different discs from a multidisc set. Basically cutting the time in half.

    The last time I purchased a new desktop computer (more than a year ago), I decided to purchase a new machine before my old 5+ years old computer konked out and died. So I ended up using this old computer almost exclusively for checking dvd/bluray discs.

    I have a third desktop computer in another part of the house, which I'll occasionally use for simultaneously checking dvd discs from a multidisc set. Though unfortunately the default dvd drive is somewhat slow and crappy, and the machine is still under warranty. Though once the warranty expires, I'll definitely be changing the dvd drive and using it as a third machine for simultaneously checking dvd/bluray discs from a multidisc set. (ie. Effectively speeding up the time by two-thirds).

    Most of my current disc checking is done simultaneously on two different machines at the same time, whenever I buy some new multidisc sets.
     
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    (Sorta going back on topic).

    Nowadays Paramount manufactures their dvd and bluray discs at the giant Technicolor plant in Guadalajara, Mexico. It turns out Universal, Warner, and Disney also manufactures all their dvds and blurays at this same Mexico plant too. (Discs made at this plant will have an IFPI code of KK** stamped microscopically in the first inner ring from the center of a dvd or bluray discs, where ** are alphanumeric wildcards).

    (Lionsgate and Fox also uses Technicolor to do their dvd/bluray disc manufacturing, but they currently use the Huntsville, Alabama plant which has IFPI code 2F** stamped on the first inner-rings of the discs manufactured there).

    In my experience, the Paramount, Warner, Disney, and Universal dvd and bluray discs manufactured at Mexican Technicolor plant are usually relatively defect free nowadays. (The exceptions are double-sided flipper discs of the DVD14 and DVD18 variety, though the DVD10 flippers seem to be ok functionally but still annoying).

    The last time I checked through the Mannix discs from the individual season sets, they had IFPI code KK** and didn't have any bad sectors due to manufacturing defects. I purchased the old complete series set which was just all the individual dvd season sets wrapped up together with masking tape and shrink wrap in a half-assed manner.
     
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    That was the way I got it too! Unfortunately, the fourth and eighth seasons were messed up-- the first disc in the fourth-season release was scratched, and the eighth-and-final-season release had the plastic cracked to kingdom come! I had to purchase those separately from Amazon to remedy that problem.
     
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    IFPI KK7E confirmed on the full series discs I recently purchased.
     
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    Thanks for looking this up. IIRC, the 7E most likely corresponds to a particular machine at Technicolor which stamped out the dvd discs in your copy of the Mannix complete series set.

    In principle, the movie companies can trace back to which particular machine was used to manufacture a batch of dvd (or bluray) discs, especially if they get back a large quantity of returned defective product.
     
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