Mama's Family 30th Anniversary

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by darkrock17, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. darkrock17

    darkrock17 Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    940
    Likes Received:
    172
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    Alexandria, VA
    Real Name:
    Andrew McClure
    The show was shown out of order, but the first 3 seasons were the worse though. Vint and the Kids Move In was the very first episode and should of followed by Mama's Silver, but all episode guides always list Mama's Silver as the last episode of season 1 instead of Positive Thinking. Season 2 says that Flaming Forties is the first episode instead of A Grave Mistake which is listed as the season fineal of season 2. Season 3 has Soup to Nuts as the first episode when it's Farwell Frannie, this mixup is because of whoever was in charge of writing down what each production epsiode number was wrote down the wrong number for the first two episodes. The airing out of order for the rest of the series went on until the last season when they got that right.
     
  2. JohnMor

    JohnMor Producer

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2004
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1,305
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Real Name:
    John Moreland
    The actual production order for S1 is as follows:

    01. Mama's Silver
    02. Alien Marriage
    03. Fran's Dress
    04. Vint and the Kids Move In
    05. For Better or For Worse
    06. The Wedding I
    07. The Wedding II
    08. Cellmates
    09. Positive Thinking
    10. Mama's Boyfriend
    11. Double Standard
    12. Mama Gets a Job
    13. Family Feud

    Even the production order isn't necessarily the order they're meant to be shown in. It often has to do with the readiness of the script, actor availability, etc. Notice all four of Burnett's eps were taped back to back. And of course, that's all completely separate from the way the networks used to schedule eps for their own purposes. NBC wanted the wedding two-parter and one more Burnett ep to air in February for sweeps. So with the scheduled January 22nd debut air date, they had to move some of the earlier eps to later in the season, even if they didn't make sense then.
     
  3. David Rain

    David Rain Screenwriter

    Joined:
    May 7, 2005
    Messages:
    1,166
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Real Name:
    Dave
    The artwork for the new "first season" is unfortunate because the cover photo of the family excludes Dorothy Lyman's Naomi. I was under the impression that she was a cast member from the very beginning even though Naomi & Vint didn't become involved until a few eps into the season. However, Dorothy was doing double duty on All My Children at the time (as Opal Gardner) so perhaps she wasn't available for the very first photo sessions or hadn't been cast yet.
     
  4. Vahan_Nisanain

    Vahan_Nisanain Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    959
    Likes Received:
    281
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    Glendale, California
    Real Name:
    Vahan_Nisanain
    To darkrock17, why don't you e-mail the studio releasing this complete series set or tvshowsondvd about production order?

    Also, ask them to make sure all 130 episodes are fine (they have the smooth look of videotape), and don't have the same encoding issues that ruined Shout Factory's S7 DVD set of All in the Family, that gave the show a kinescope look.
     
  5. Joe Lugoff

    Joe Lugoff Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2005
    Messages:
    2,164
    Likes Received:
    304
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Real Name:
    Joe
    I don't think the production order is ever the order they're meant to be shown in. The production order, as you said, depends on many factors, such as the actors' availability. The classic example involves the two-part "I Love Lucy" episode when Carolyn Appleby visits in Hollywood, filmed in reverse order due to the availability of the guest stars -- and always shown in the wrong order in syndication, because it followed production order. (The DVDs have it right.)
     
  6. potnoodle

    potnoodle Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    Will F
    Actually, the production numbers are correct. Mama's Silver and Alien Marriage were the first two episodes filmed. Neither NBC or Vicki Lawrence liked what they saw. The main complaints were that the show was too dark and the main characters (Mama, Vint, Aunt Fran) were too unlikeable so production was shut down for several weeks while the show was retooled. Rather than air those episodes first, NBC chose to bury them later in the season, completely ignoring the continuity issues of having Vint married to Naomi one week, then getting involved in a fake marriage for money the next. According to Vicki, NBC meddled continually in the show because they couldn't understand why anyone would be interested in watching a young woman play an old lady every week. When the show came back in first-run syndication, Lorimar, who was financing the reboot, never interfered with the show and so they could do the show the right way.
     
  7. Ethan Riley

    Ethan Riley Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    3,626
    Likes Received:
    371
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    I cannot wait to see these restored. I haven't seen them properly in 30 years. Most of my favorites are from Season Two; "The Wedding" was as good as it got for Season One. Some excellent writing there.

    Some Season Two highlights I'm especially looking forward to:

    Flaming Forties: Mama tries to put on a "USO" show for the high school kids--who were hoping for a punk band called "Medication." "Well you're gettin' Medicare!!" cries Mama. One of the funniest moments in the whole series is when Mama, Naomi and Fran lip-synch to "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy" by the Andrews Sisters.

    Blackbelt Mama: After getting her purse stolen, Mama learns karate.

    No Room at the Inn: Possibly the saltiest "Mama" episode ever--it concerns the misadventures of Mama stuck overnight in Vint & Naomi's honeymoon suite. Mama accidentally narrates a porno on closed captioned television--one of the greatest scenes in Mama history!

    Mama Cries Uncle: Mama's brother-in-law visits; (apparently nobody told him Carl Harper was dead). Mama and Uncle Roy strike up a non-romance. Very well-written episode, although Vicki demanded serious adjustments before the episode was taped (in the original script, Thelma and Roy were to consummate their relationship, and Vicki said NO!)

    Harper Versus Harper: Silly but funny episode in which Naomi and Thelma destroy both a vacuum cleaner and a throw rug and sue each other. Highlighted by Michael (Room 222) Constantine's turn as a stern small claims judge.

    The Mama Who Came to Dinner: Another silly episode; this time Mama throws her back out and is forced to lie on the living room floor while Vint & Naomi host a dinner party.

    An oddity is "Gert Rides Again," the Imogene Coca episode, which is supposedly a rare episode to find. It wasn't heavily in rotation during Mama's syndicated days. Hopefully it'll turn up intact on the dvd. The rumor is that the Imogene Coca Estate didn't want it rerun; (doubtful). But nevertheless, it was rarely run...I taped it the night it aired, thank goodness.

    I taped most of Mama; I taped most of Season Two when it aired, got a handful of Season One eps during summer reruns, and a brief NBC rerun revival in 1985. I didn't tape the syndicated eps as they aired; I got them on TBS years and years later. I think I'm missing about 7 episodes at this time. It will be a thrill to see it in its entirety. And I also have not seen "Eunice" since the night it aired in the 80s (I tried watching it on youtube but it's painful).
     
  8. MatthewA

    MatthewA Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2000
    Messages:
    7,034
    Likes Received:
    854
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Salinas, CA
    Real Name:
    Matthew
    I had no idea about that, although I knew Dorothy Lyman was doing double duty with this and AMC in the first season. Some of NBC's fall 1982 promos (like this earworm that, if they brought it back today, they should be singing "We're NBC, PLEASE watch us now!") still had it slated for a fall premiere. I take it this (along with NBC picking up Taxi from ABC) is why the premiere got pushed back to January.
     
  9. David Rain

    David Rain Screenwriter

    Joined:
    May 7, 2005
    Messages:
    1,166
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Real Name:
    Dave
    The 'Gert Rides Again' episode has indeed been seen in rerun syndie but was left out of it's more recent broadcasts on, I think, Ion TV.
     
  10. Vahan_Nisanain

    Vahan_Nisanain Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    959
    Likes Received:
    281
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    Glendale, California
    Real Name:
    Vahan_Nisanain
    Why don't you ask them if it will be intact on the DVD?
     
  11. potnoodle

    potnoodle Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    Will F
    Sorry to disagree, but I read the same interview with John Hamilton from around the time Warner's first season release came out and while he did say that his contract with Warner prevented him from releasing the NBC episodes, there was NO mention in that interview of this being only for a limited amount of time. What seems probable is that Warner dropped it's objections to allowing the JHP cuts of season 1 and 2 for a price, which obviously StarVista/Time-Life agreed to.
     
  12. Ethan Riley

    Ethan Riley Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    3,626
    Likes Received:
    371
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Why would I do that? I have no reason to believe it won't be.
     
  13. Vahan_Nisanain

    Vahan_Nisanain Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    959
    Likes Received:
    281
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    Glendale, California
    Real Name:
    Vahan_Nisanain
    You never know. Better to be safe than sorry.

    I think one way of finding out the official production order, is to look for taping tickets online as well as final shooting scripts for each of the episodes.
     
  14. Joe Lugoff

    Joe Lugoff Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2005
    Messages:
    2,164
    Likes Received:
    304
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Real Name:
    Joe
  15. Vahan_Nisanain

    Vahan_Nisanain Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    959
    Likes Received:
    281
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    Glendale, California
    Real Name:
    Vahan_Nisanain
    I said this, because sometimes, the production codes do not always represent the filming or taping order of a TV Show.

    Let me give you an example:

    Looking at an episode guide for The Mary Tyler Moore Show, you would assume that the first episode filmed after the pilot was "Support Your Local Mother". It's production code was 7002. Simple, right?

    Turns out it was actually, according to someone who was compiling a production guide on Sitcoms Online, "Bess, You is My Daughter Now". It's production code was 7005.
     
  16. Ethan Riley

    Ethan Riley Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    3,626
    Likes Received:
    371
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    "Bess" could have been the fifth script turned in and approved, but the second one shot.
     
  17. JohnMor

    JohnMor Producer

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2004
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1,305
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Real Name:
    John Moreland
    I think in this particular case it probably has to do with the location shoot at the mall with MTM and Lisa Gerritsen. It took time to schedule, film and edit and could have pushed the episode completion date back farther than a few earlier ones which were completely filmed on stage on show night.
     
  18. Vahan_Nisanain

    Vahan_Nisanain Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    959
    Likes Received:
    281
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    Glendale, California
    Real Name:
    Vahan_Nisanain
    Thanks everybody. Now I know more about production codes than I used to.
     
  19. potnoodle

    potnoodle Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    Will F
    Just a head's up that another online retailer, Deep Discount, now has all four Mama's Family releases scheduled for September 10 available for pre-order. As of now, Amazon still only has the Season 2 listing that was supposed to go away along with the other three releases a few weeks ago. According to the Deep Discount information, Seasons 1 and 2 will have three and four discs respectively, which suggests that both sets will come with bonus features.

    http://www.deepdiscount.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/search.results?Ntk=primary&Ntt=mama%27s+family&N=0
     
  20. Ethan Riley

    Ethan Riley Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    3,626
    Likes Received:
    371
    Trophy Points:
    4,110
    The complete series press release and art are now on tvshowsondvd.com. ... can you only get these thru TimeLife?
     

Share This Page