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Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by darkrock17, Jan 21, 2013.
Do these releases mean that WB no longer own the series?
No, I'm guessing it means that a third party (StarVista/Time-Life) was able to sweet talk both parties into licensing the show out and providing the proper materials this time around to give fans what they want.
Time/Life is usually able to pull off some things other companies can't (or won't).
I'll say it again (just 'cuz I can): it's thrilling to see a show being done RIGHT on dvd, even if it's one I won't be buying. Would that all series' fans could be so rewarded, especially after such poorly received initial release.
This demonstrates that if a studio or company truly wants to do the right thing for their fans, they'll go above and beyond the call of duty to do as such and not just piece stuff together for the mere sake of trying to sell an item to us customers. TL/StarVista should be applauded for such an effort and maybe they learned their lessons from the Carol Burnett Show Ultimate Collection fiasco a year or so ago.
I imagine most of the sweet-talking was with Warner since as early as 2007, John Hamilton was quoted as saying that he was more than willing to provide them with the uncut masters for seasons 1 and 2 but that no one from Warner had approached him before the season 1 release, nor was he expecting them to despite the outcry at Warner's shoddy edited release. I guess after 7 years, Warner finally realized that half a loaf was better than none and agreed to license the syndicated seasons to StarVIsta with JHP supplying the the NBC seasons.
I mentioned this to my father the other night and his eyes lit up like a kid in a candy store. He normally doesn't care about movies and DVD's, but this is going to be epic for him. I even told my mother afterward I was ordering the set for him for Christmas. Of course, I'm getting one for me, too.
TVShowsonDVD.com indicates that Walmart has prelisted the new season 1 Mama's Family and the description indicates that the "Eunice" movie will be included as an extra! Box art is also there and the street date is still listed as September 10. This has not been officially announced by StarVista yet but it's looking like they are really going to deliver the goods. http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Mamas-Family-Season-1/18585
Let's hope Wal-Mart's information is right as I truly like where this might be going for the release come September. Press release should be coming soon, possibly after the 4th of July holidays.
I certainly hope this proves true, as then I can get Eunice quite easily and forgo the rest of the series. Plus, it makes sense to include it with the short (13 eps) first season.
Is season 1 and the rest of the collection going to be in broadcast or production order? As all of season1 is completely out of order.
The whole series was shown out of production order, actually. I'm pretty sure, however, that in syndication they always showed Ep 4 "Vint and the Kids Move in" first, then followed by the rest of the episodes in production order. I think. Obviously, "Alien Marriage" must be shown before the Naomi/wedding episodes...other than that??
The show was shown out of order, but the first 3 seasons were the worse though. Vint and the Kids Move In was the very first episode and should of followed by Mama's Silver, but all episode guides always list Mama's Silver as the last episode of season 1 instead of Positive Thinking. Season 2 says that Flaming Forties is the first episode instead of A Grave Mistake which is listed as the season fineal of season 2. Season 3 has Soup to Nuts as the first episode when it's Farwell Frannie, this mixup is because of whoever was in charge of writing down what each production epsiode number was wrote down the wrong number for the first two episodes. The airing out of order for the rest of the series went on until the last season when they got that right.
The actual production order for S1 is as follows:
01. Mama's Silver
02. Alien Marriage
03. Fran's Dress
04. Vint and the Kids Move In
05. For Better or For Worse
06. The Wedding I
07. The Wedding II
09. Positive Thinking
10. Mama's Boyfriend
11. Double Standard
12. Mama Gets a Job
13. Family Feud
Even the production order isn't necessarily the order they're meant to be shown in. It often has to do with the readiness of the script, actor availability, etc. Notice all four of Burnett's eps were taped back to back. And of course, that's all completely separate from the way the networks used to schedule eps for their own purposes. NBC wanted the wedding two-parter and one more Burnett ep to air in February for sweeps. So with the scheduled January 22nd debut air date, they had to move some of the earlier eps to later in the season, even if they didn't make sense then.
The artwork for the new "first season" is unfortunate because the cover photo of the family excludes Dorothy Lyman's Naomi. I was under the impression that she was a cast member from the very beginning even though Naomi & Vint didn't become involved until a few eps into the season. However, Dorothy was doing double duty on All My Children at the time (as Opal Gardner) so perhaps she wasn't available for the very first photo sessions or hadn't been cast yet.
To darkrock17, why don't you e-mail the studio releasing this complete series set or tvshowsondvd about production order?
Also, ask them to make sure all 130 episodes are fine (they have the smooth look of videotape), and don't have the same encoding issues that ruined Shout Factory's S7 DVD set of All in the Family, that gave the show a kinescope look.
I don't think the production order is ever the order they're meant to be shown in. The production order, as you said, depends on many factors, such as the actors' availability. The classic example involves the two-part "I Love Lucy" episode when Carolyn Appleby visits in Hollywood, filmed in reverse order due to the availability of the guest stars -- and always shown in the wrong order in syndication, because it followed production order. (The DVDs have it right.)
Actually, the production numbers are correct. Mama's Silver and Alien Marriage were the first two episodes filmed. Neither NBC or Vicki Lawrence liked what they saw. The main complaints were that the show was too dark and the main characters (Mama, Vint, Aunt Fran) were too unlikeable so production was shut down for several weeks while the show was retooled. Rather than air those episodes first, NBC chose to bury them later in the season, completely ignoring the continuity issues of having Vint married to Naomi one week, then getting involved in a fake marriage for money the next. According to Vicki, NBC meddled continually in the show because they couldn't understand why anyone would be interested in watching a young woman play an old lady every week. When the show came back in first-run syndication, Lorimar, who was financing the reboot, never interfered with the show and so they could do the show the right way.
I cannot wait to see these restored. I haven't seen them properly in 30 years. Most of my favorites are from Season Two; "The Wedding" was as good as it got for Season One. Some excellent writing there.
Some Season Two highlights I'm especially looking forward to:
Flaming Forties: Mama tries to put on a "USO" show for the high school kids--who were hoping for a punk band called "Medication." "Well you're gettin' Medicare!!" cries Mama. One of the funniest moments in the whole series is when Mama, Naomi and Fran lip-synch to "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy" by the Andrews Sisters.
Blackbelt Mama: After getting her purse stolen, Mama learns karate.
No Room at the Inn: Possibly the saltiest "Mama" episode ever--it concerns the misadventures of Mama stuck overnight in Vint & Naomi's honeymoon suite. Mama accidentally narrates a porno on closed captioned television--one of the greatest scenes in Mama history!
Mama Cries Uncle: Mama's brother-in-law visits; (apparently nobody told him Carl Harper was dead). Mama and Uncle Roy strike up a non-romance. Very well-written episode, although Vicki demanded serious adjustments before the episode was taped (in the original script, Thelma and Roy were to consummate their relationship, and Vicki said NO!)
Harper Versus Harper: Silly but funny episode in which Naomi and Thelma destroy both a vacuum cleaner and a throw rug and sue each other. Highlighted by Michael (Room 222) Constantine's turn as a stern small claims judge.
The Mama Who Came to Dinner: Another silly episode; this time Mama throws her back out and is forced to lie on the living room floor while Vint & Naomi host a dinner party.
An oddity is "Gert Rides Again," the Imogene Coca episode, which is supposedly a rare episode to find. It wasn't heavily in rotation during Mama's syndicated days. Hopefully it'll turn up intact on the dvd. The rumor is that the Imogene Coca Estate didn't want it rerun; (doubtful). But nevertheless, it was rarely run...I taped it the night it aired, thank goodness.
I taped most of Mama; I taped most of Season Two when it aired, got a handful of Season One eps during summer reruns, and a brief NBC rerun revival in 1985. I didn't tape the syndicated eps as they aired; I got them on TBS years and years later. I think I'm missing about 7 episodes at this time. It will be a thrill to see it in its entirety. And I also have not seen "Eunice" since the night it aired in the 80s (I tried watching it on youtube but it's painful).
I had no idea about that, although I knew Dorothy Lyman was doing double duty with this and AMC in the first season. Some of NBC's fall 1982 promos (like this earworm that, if they brought it back today, they should be singing "We're NBC, PLEASE watch us now!") still had it slated for a fall premiere. I take it this (along with NBC picking up Taxi from ABC) is why the premiere got pushed back to January.
The 'Gert Rides Again' episode has indeed been seen in rerun syndie but was left out of it's more recent broadcasts on, I think, Ion TV.