M&K out, SVS in transit!

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Paul Gere, Nov 30, 2001.

  1. Paul Gere

    Paul Gere Second Unit

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    Yeah, I know there are a gazillion posts like this one here - but you guys understand. [​IMG] I've taken the leap to a single SVS CS-Ultra 1000 and Samson 500wpc stereo amp from the good folks at SVS. Leaving my theater will be a solid M&K MX-125 when its ebay auction ends tomorrow.
    I'm excited yet anxious - hoping that my expectations are met. I'm pragmatic enought to not be looking for a religious experience with the SVS, but with their reputation here & elsewhere, the bar IS high!
    Stay tuned for an update!
    Cheers!
    -PG
     
  2. Geordy

    Geordy Stunt Coordinator

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    i made a very similar upgrade...lost my m&K for a cs20-39

    enjoy

    geordy
     
  3. Robert G

    Robert G Stunt Coordinator

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    Same here. Had a M&K V-125 and now have dual 20-39 CS's with Samson 700. You will not be disappointed. One 20-39 was a pretty major upgrade for me and duals are off of the map.[​IMG]
     
  4. Doug_B

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    Being in Wisconsin, it shouldn't take long to receive your goodies. I happened to receive the same CS_Ultra + S1000 Thursday, and they sent it out Tuesday. Too bad I can't use it until I get a processor (although I'll likely borrow a neighbor's receiver for a couple of days).

    Try to stay busy this weekend!

    Doug
     
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    Paul,
    You had the fine M&K 125. If we never pointed it out, you are entering an entirely new realm performance-wise. Your CS-Ultra will perform, roughly speaking, about like the dual 20-39CS's on these charts. That is to say you will have many times the clean and accurate output, and a level of extension that you simply never heard before on your system. Kind of curious though (since I don't "street price" gear quite as much as I used to) how did your new sub compare in price to the old (when it was new)?
    Make no mistake, it won't be just "louder"(you might not even say that, since there should be virtually no mid-bass response peak in your system) but you should also notice cleaner, deeper and more subtle bass. It may take a movie or two to adjust even. We get folks both blown away from the first note, and others that only realize what high output, clean bass should sound like after some extended time. Please do let us know (via e-mail, or something here) how you feel the CS-Ultra stacked up the the M&K. We like to know the product is still on target and this is the best way, getting it from the customers (and of course measuring).
    Below charts drawn from objective test data published by Tom Nousaine (references in the below web page).
    [​IMG]
    Here's another, just looking at low bass performance. Tom might tighten the comparison with the CS-Ultra, we haven't charted it in any case. Far below is the page that references all the data, from tests documented in Jun 01 and Dec 00.
    [​IMG]
    The page that contains the best wrap up we have of where your old sub stacked up against some tough competition.
    http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subcomparo.htm
    Ron
     
  6. John Morris

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    What changes and performance advantages are there in the Ultra+ S1000 versus the older Ultra?
     
  7. SVS-Ron

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    Older Ultra?

    What you have John is still current.

    The SS will be different and stronger but we don't have performance data we can publish yet.

    Ron
     
  8. John Morris

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    Thanks Ron. I was just wondering since I saw that Doug said he had received his Ultra +. I remember that TV said that some trickle down from the SS might occur and cause the release of the Ultra +. I thought that may have already happened.

    Thanks!
     
  9. Paul Gere

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    Thanks for all the replies so far -especially yours, Ron!

    Clarification: I'm NOT thinking SVS CS-Ultra vs. M&K MX-125 - - it's not even close to a fair fight! :p)

    I've read the charts above before and they directly influenced my purchase, along with many conversations with the incredibly helpful and responsive Tom V.

    I'm well aware that I am headed into a new league with the CS-Ultra. It is without question a major upgrade. My point above is simply that I'm incredibly excited to see how that new league performs in my room - with my system.

    Try this analogy: A new blockbuster film is released. You read dozens of unanimously "rave" reviews. Maybe you even see the film's amazing trailer. Everybody's buzzing about this film. ...but when do you know that the film is great...to you? After you've experienced it, of course.

    According to UPS, I get my SVS "experience" next Wed. Can't wait!

    Cheers!

    P.S. Ron: The M&K retailed at around $1100 when I bought it.
     
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    Good deal Paul.

    It'll be interesting to see if the $299 extra you spent on the SVS was worthwhile.

    I'm betting it is ;^)

    Ron
     
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    Ron - -
    Good luck finding someone to bet against you!!
    -PG
    [​IMG]
     
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    SVS-Ron.......any way you could put some other notable subs out there by comparison? Owners of much less costly subs (Sony SAWM-40, Velodyne CT120, JBL-PB12, Klipsch SW12, others..) would like to know 'on paper differences' that may in fact help them with a buying decision. Otherwise we'll have to rely on inaccurate testing done out there to that helps glorify lesser subs and their abilities...Not that any of these subs are insuffecient esp. considering the cost and usage limitations in a particular enviroment.

    thanks for reading!
     
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    Tom Vodhanel Cinematographer

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    >>>the first figure(for each subwoofer) is for a corner loaded subwoofer, 2

    meter SPL mic distance,10%

    distortion limit,and the SPLs have been averaged from the maximum output at

    1/3octave spacing at 25/31/40/50/63hz. Any additional numbers represent the

    lower extension of the subwoofer...and it's capabilities toward the bottom

    end.

    ( * ) denotes a manual data adjustment applied by myself to compensate the

    subwoofer from Nousaine's *small* room(2200) to his newer *large* room(7500).

    SVS Dual 20-39cs/600w package 115.5 /20hz~97dB / 25hz ~111.8dB / 31hz ~120.9dB

    VELODYNE F1800 - 111.9

    SVS 20-39cs(W/300 watts)109.5 / 20hz~91 / 25hz~105.8

    VELODYNE FSR15 - 109.1 / 16hz~90.1 / 25hz~103.1

    VELODYNE HGS15 - 107.7 / 16hz~89.1

    Paradigm PW2200 - 107.4 / 20hz~84 / 25hz ~104dB (112.8dB peak)

    Paradigm Servo15 - 107.3 / 27hz

    VELODYNE SPL12 - 107.1 / 20hz ~90 /25hz ~ 99

    HSU RESEARCH TN25(w/250w) - 107.1 / 30hz

    HSU RESEARCH VTF-2 - 107.1 / 20hz~93/25hz~99dB

    Cerwin Vega cvt300s - 107 / 16hz~80db / 20hz~92(112.4dB peak)

    KLIPSCH KSW300 - 106.0 / 25hz~92 *

    Cerwin Vega LW12 - 106.0 / 20hz~89

    POLK 650 -105.9 / 25hz~90

    Infinity 1.2s - 105.5 / 20hz ~90 / 25hz~95

    BW asw1000 - 105.4 / 25hz~92.4 *

    MK mx125 mkII - 105.3 / 20hz 89 / 25hz 95

    VELODYNE ct150 - 105.3 / 20hz~82(111.4dB peak)

    JBL D112 - 105.2 / 25hz~95

    Boston Acoustics PV800 - 104.4 / 20hz~85

    DEF TECH PF15TL-104 / 20hz ~88dB

    MISSION 700ASi - 104 / 20hz~82

    Infinity MSW1- 104 /20hz~79

    Phase Technology PC500(towers) - 103.6

    Infinity interlude100 - 103.5 / 25hz ~ 94

    BW asw2000 - 103 / 29hz *

    PSB Subsonic6 - 102.7 / 25hz~94

    Sound Dynamics rts1200 - 102.1 / 25hz~92(110.9dB peak)

    Infinity IL100s - 102dB / 25hz ~94dB

    VELODYNE ct120 - 101 / 20hz~87

    MK - mx105 -100.6 / 25hz~86

    ATLANTIC TECH 272 PBM - 100.5 / 20hz~85

    INFINITY hps250 - 100.2 / 25hz~82(112.8dB peak)

    KLIPSCH LF10 - 100.1 / 25hz~90

    KLIPSCH KSW12 - 100 / 25hz~90 /20hz~ 70

    PSB subsonic 3i - 100 / 28hz *

    MISSION ms70asa - 100/32hz~92

    SUNFIRE Jr. - 100 / 25hz~95

    VELODYNE VLF810 - 100 / 25hz~91

    Canbridge - 100 / 20hz ~82

    POLK PSW350 - 99.8 / 25hz~82

    VELODYNE FSR12 - 99.7 / 20hz

    JAMO E 8sub - 99 / 25hz~ 86

    VELODYNE VA1012 - 99 / 29hz

    JBL PB10 - 99 / 25hz 82

    POLK RMDS-1 - 98.6 / 25hz- 77

    VELODYNE FSR10 - 98.4 / 20hz

    BW asw2500 - 98 / 25hz~86 /20hz~79

    ENERGY ES12xl - 98 / 28hz *

    Paradigm PDR10 - 98 / 25hz

    PHASE tech power8 - 98 / 25hz~84

    Polk psw250 - 97.3 / 32hz~91

    ATHENA S3 - 97.0 / 25hz~87

    Energy S8.2 - 97 / 25hz ~82

    VELODYNE CT80 - 97.0 / 25hz~81

    MIRAGE frx s10 - 97 / 25hz~84

    JAMO sw505 - 97

    Klispch KSW10 - 96.9 / 25hz~85

    TANNOY PS110 - 96.8 / 20hz~71 / 25hz~84

    CANTON AS25 - 96.8 / 25hz~80

    MK V-1250thx - 96 / 25hz~86

    Atlantic technology 4.5 - 96 / 25hz~82

    ATHENA S2 - 96 / 25hz~87

    ACI titan - 96dB / 25hz~80

    PSB alphasubzero - 95.2 / 32hz~88

    Aura Lss-107A - 95.2 / 25hz~73

    Celestion cswII - 95 / 25hz~78

    Paradigm 90P(towers) - 95 / 20hz

    GALLO MPS-150 - 95.0 / 25hz~86

    ENERGY ENCORE - 94.4 / 25hz~78

    ENERGY XL8 - 94 / 25hz~78

    POLK PS-120 - 94 / 32hz -no SPL given

    Wharfedale Modus - 93.1dB

    DEF TECH BP2002TL Tower - 92.3 / 25hz ~80(single tower)

    Paradigm PD8 91.4 / 25hz~73dB

    MK k9 - 90.1 / 25hz~77

    Cerwin Vega hts15 - 89 (107 from 40-100hz) / 39hz

    DEF TECH Pro Tower400 - 89 / 25hz~81d (single tower)

    DEF TECH BP 2006TL Tower - 88.4 / 25hz ~73(single tower)

    ATHENA P1 88.5/ 32hz~85.5

    -----------the following use a 25-50hz range----------

    Boston Acoustics VR2000 -109dB

    Hsu Research 12V (150w) -106.5dB / 25hz - no SPL given

    Cerwin Vega HT-PWR12 -105.9dB / 25hz - no SPL given

    BW asw800 -105.1dB / 26hz - no SPL given

    Klipsch SW12 series2 -104.6dB ~(32-50hz) / 32hz - no SPL given

    ADS ms3 -104dB

    Phase Technology 1.0 Octave -103.3dB / 25hz -no SPL given

    Velodyne VA-1215x -102.6dB / 25hz - no SPL given

    BAGEND 18" -102.5dB *

    MK MX-125 101.8 - dB / 25hz - no SPL given

    TRIAD Silver - 100.2dB / 25hz - no SPL given

    PBS Subsonic III - 100.1dB / 25hz - no SPL given

    SUNFIRE
     

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