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Looking at Receivers - here is a comparison chart

Discussion in 'AV Receivers' started by Bob McElfresh, Nov 19, 2002.

  1. peter_anderson

    peter_anderson Stunt Coordinator

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    ChrisWiggles: In my experience, no receivers with PLII have the "original" option. My harman/kardon AVR 320 doesn't. After hearing the difference between my old AVR 20 and the new 320, I can't image anyone wanting to use "original" PL anyway!
     
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    WanMan:

    I agree. There is a magazine that has tested the euro version of the 45. But, I can't get the article. I tried to get the guy to scan it and send it but no reply. Its on this forum. I think hometheaterchoice.

    Mike
     
  3. Robert James Clark

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    "Bandwidth requirements for switching:
    http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/bandwid.htm
    quote:
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    NTSC Broadcast and VHS: 4.2 MHz
    Laser Disk: 5.3 MHz
    Regular NTSC DVD: 7 (6.8) MHz
    Progressive Scan NTSC DVD and 480p DTV: 13.5 MHz
    1080i HDTV: 37 MHz; in practice with 22 MHz the picture is still very superb.
    720p HDTV; 37 MHz. "
    While a component bandwidth of 30MHZ or less will pass HDTV, you will lose detail, or the audio equivalent of a roll-off of the "high-end".
    A Denon rep has admitted this on the "other" forum, and I feel that anything under, say, 32 Mhz should not be listed as being true HD compatible...
     
  4. Bob McElfresh

    Bob McElfresh Producer

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    Ok, I'm back.
    My table came from the Sound & Vision article, then corrections are added in as people point them out. My guess is there is a press-release/some other brochure that lists the Pioneer units as 90 instead of 100 wpc.
    Look guys, the table is a simple comparison of reported features. The first thing we usually ask a person shopping is: "What is your budget?" Eventually we get to how much $$$ they should spend on the receiver. The table is just a simple way to scan down by price and see what features they get/miss for the given ammount of money.
    In this spirit, I'm going to say the Outlaw unit is EX since it really does support a rear-center speaker.
     
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    Bob, thanks for the clarification. I do appreciate it and the compilation you have done. Good job!
     
  6. Bob McElfresh

    Bob McElfresh Producer

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    Bob, Brae:
    I don't know if you guys can get a copy of this article but its a review of the euro 45TX.
    Here's the thread.........
    http://www.homecinemachoice.com/index.html
    It may have some updated info in the 45 and the euro 45.
    Think they would be comparable?
    Mike
     
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    MikeRP,
    Here
    It took me three dang time to get that to work! Dang those Euros!
     
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    Bob,

    I don´t really know how difficult would be to gather this info, but I think it would be nice to have a box with the REAL rms power per channel for each receiver.

    What do you think ?

    Mauricio
     
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    I've seen that link before, but lost it. Kudos for bringing it up!
     
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    Nice work...

    Perhaps a note on proprietary software? E.G. CS 5/6.1, L7?
     
  15. Rich Malloy

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    Lewis, one can set the back DD-6.1 speaker (or "7.1" speakers) for small on the 1050, but it won't decode DTS-ES.
     
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    Does anyone have any experience/opinion on the Denon AVR 4800 receiver? Just purchased one for $600.00.
     
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    George:
    About the Pro-Logic II and ProLogic presentations, I said that all receivers that have PL II also have a PL I option. However, I am not 100% sure about this. Perhaps someone could chime in with a definitive answer. I did however do a little bit of searching on the HK receivers that the other fellow mentioned:
    Well, my experience shows that every one DOES have a Pro-Logic I emulation, for those who prefer it. And yes, I would agree that nobody would really want to use the PL-I option, but it IS still there. I checked out the manual on the newer HK 325, and it has PLII: movie/music/emulation. The emulation is the PL-I option. Then I found the manual on the AVR 320, and it has the same options. A variety of receivers I've looked at have this, so I would assume it to be standard. I briefly tried to find some info on dolby's website, but to no avail. I WOULD assume, though that they would make it backward compatible. So perhaps someone could find a definite answer, either like 100% have PL-I emulation, or some exceptions?
    That quote was a response to me, so no, I am not disagreeing with myself [​IMG]
     
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    David, it appears that the 1803 does have 6-channel "analog bypass" inputs. Open the owners manuel pdf from the link you posted and check pages 14 and 35. While it doesn't go into explicit detail, it does suggest that these are the appropriate inputs for DVD-A or SACD signals and states that these signals are "output directly...without passing through the surround circuitry". You may wish to confirm with someone who has this receiver.
     

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