Disney+ Loki (2021) (1 Viewer)

[Joe Wong]

Sure, just explain it as concisely as possible.

It's the easiest excuse - I mean, answer.

Like I mentioned earlier, it's the "default" answer for any time there is a deviation and someone asks why the TVA don't show up. Because it's meant to happen, according to the TVA.

 

[Joe Wong]

Just saw ep 2.

Spoiler

A slower episode but picks up towards the end. My guess is the variant Loki is not a female Loki (or Lady Loki), but another powerful character from the comics that I won't mention yet.

Among the many questions I have, are the variant Lokis (including the Hulk-like Loki) from post 2012? Given 2012 Loki seems to be unaware of them. Maybe the TVA has dealt with them and restored any damage from those variant Lokis to the proper flow of time, then 2012 Loki would be unaware.

But then the variant Loki they're chasing must be from a future timeline (since 2012 Loki doesn't know about her and the proper flow of time hasn't been restored completely), or else a character other than Loki (hence my guess above).

 

[Robert Crawford]

Hell, I forgot about episode 2.

 

[Citizen87645]

Definitely more exposition heavy, and raises more questions, which will frustrate some who were already frustrated.

 

[Sam Favate]

I didn’t mind the exposition since the dialogue is so well written and performed, but does the show have to be so dark? I get that they’re going for a dismal office building vibe, but nothing on the screen really grabs the viewer. I watched it on a 4K TV in a dark room with all but one light out and it was still too dark to see in places.

 

[Jason_V]

I didn’t mind the exposition since the dialogue is so well written and performed, but does the show have to be so dark? I get that they’re going for a dismal office building vibe, but nothing on the screen really grabs the viewer. I watched it on a 4K TV in a dark room with all but one light out and it was still too dark to see in places.

I had the same thought. There was a point I just gave up and figured if Marvel wants me to see something, they’ll make sure I can see it with some editing or appropriate lighting.

 

[Dave Moritz]

Have only seen the first episode so far but liked what I have seen so far.

 

[Adam Lenhardt]

I thought the Variant's hiding spot in this episode was really clever, taking advantage of a shortcoming in the tracking models based on deterministic linear progression that the TVA uses to identify problems in the timeline.

Spoiler

A slower episode but picks up towards the end. My guess is the variant Loki is not a female Loki (or Lady Loki), but another powerful character from the comics that I won't mention yet.

I had a feeling a twist was coming in that area:

Spoiler: 2x01

It didn't make sense to keep the Variant hidden under a hood or in sillouette if the Variant was just another Loki; we know what Loki looks. When revealed, she looked more like an Asgardian than a Loki.

Spoiler

Among the many questions I have, are the variant Lokis (including the Hulk-like Loki) from post 2012? Given 2012 Loki seems to be unaware of them. Maybe the TVA has dealt with them and restored any damage from those variant Lokis to the proper flow of time, then 2012 Loki would be unaware.

I believe they come from all over the timeline. The only one that hasn't been pruned is the 2012 Loki variant, however.

Definitely more exposition heavy, and raises more questions, which will frustrate some who were already frustrated.

Yes, if the first episode was about throwing Loki off-balance, this episode is about him finding his bearings and establishing a new equilibrium given his radically changed circumstances.

I didn’t mind the exposition since the dialogue is so well written and performed, but does the show have to be so dark? I get that they’re going for a dismal office building vibe, but nothing on the screen really grabs the viewer. I watched it on a 4K TV in a dark room with all but one light out and it was still too dark to see in places.

I also watched in on a 4K TV with HDR enabled, and I didn't have any issues. The only scenes that were too dark to see much of were intentional, like inside the renn faire tent. The TVA itself is supposed to be both unimaginably vast and bleakly bureaucratic.

 

[joshEH]

Really good episode. It’s refreshing to have absolutely no idea where things are heading. All I know is, we’ve now practically been guaranteed a scene of Owen Wilson tear-assin’ around on a jet ski, and that’s pretty much all I need in my life right now.

 

[Lord Dalek]

Just saw ep 2.

Spoiler

A slower episode but picks up towards the end. My guess is the variant Loki is not a female Loki (or Lady Loki), but another powerful character from the comics that I won't mention yet.

Among the many questions I have, are the variant Lokis (including the Hulk-like Loki) from post 2012? Given 2012 Loki seems to be unaware of them. Maybe the TVA has dealt with them and restored any damage from those variant Lokis to the proper flow of time, then 2012 Loki would be unaware.

But then the variant Loki they're chasing must be from a future timeline (since 2012 Loki doesn't know about her and the proper flow of time hasn't been restored completely), or else a character other than Loki (hence my guess above).

If you want my theory...

Its Enchantress.

 

[joshEH]

The "hiding-out-in-apocalypses" concept is just insanely creative and thematically perfect, exactly the kind of clever-yet-morbid trick you'd think Loki would pull. And the investigation scene where he figures it out? Great.

The gal with the decidedly-not-combat-appropriate long braids at the beginning was superb at fight choreography. So were all the variations of fem-Loki that they tossed out in the Wal-Mart-esque shopping center. And unlike the endless, bloodless pixelwar-nonsense we see in the MCU so often, this felt important, it felt visceral, because the characters mean something, the setting means something; we are invested.

(Also, the whole, "I literally watched you stab like 50 people in the back"/"Well, I won't do it anymore, it's gotten tired"-bit might now be my favorite bit of back-and-forth dialogue in the entire MCU.)

 

[TonyD]

It wasn’t too dark on my 85” DV Vizio. Looked great to my eyes.

Really enjoy the mystery these Marvel shows are are giving us.

 

[Sam Favate]

If you want my theory...

Its Enchantress.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we see that character in Agents of SHIELD?

Yes, yes, I know, it's a murky area of continuity, but seeing as Lady Sif was in two episodes, and so was Nick Fury, the show is still part of the MCU as far as I am concerned.

 

[jayembee]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we see that character in Agents of SHIELD?

Yes.

 

[Joe Wong]

If you want my theory...

Its Enchantress.

Agreed.

 

[Joe Wong]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we see that character in Agents of SHIELD?

Yes, yes, I know, it's a murky area of continuity, but seeing as Lady Sif was in two episodes, and so was Nick Fury, the show is still part of the MCU as far as I am concerned.

Spoiler

One interesting link to the comics (we'll see if Feige is going to go this route) is that in the current comics run of Captain Marvel, there's a future where Enchantress (Amora) is Namor's queen.

If Namor is someone Feige is looking to introduce to the MCU, then this could be a way of connecting the dots.

 

[Lord Dalek]

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D (and the rest of the pre-WandaVision MCU series for that matter) isn't canon period. Not murky at all.

 

[Joe Wong]

Spoiler

While we don't know who the real "villain" is yet, the female Loki variant is at least being positioned as the antagonist, for now. That would continue the pattern of female "villains" in the 3 Disney+ series so far (with Agatha from WandaVision and Karli or Power Broker from Falcon & the Winter Soldier).

Whether intentional or not (I lean towards the former), Feige is making good on his promise to diversify the roster of heroes and villains in the MCU, after the male-dominated 1st decade.

Good to see!

 

[Sam Favate]

Spoiler

One interesting link to the comics (we'll see if Feige is going to go this route) is that in the current comics run of Captain Marvel, there's a future where Enchantress (Amora) is Namor's queen.

If Namor is someone Feige is looking to introduce to the MCU, then this could be a way of connecting the dots.

Well, about that...

Spoiler

Rumors have been around for a few years now and were repeated just last week that Marvel is looking to include Namor in the Black Panther sequel. He's coming.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D (and the rest of the pre-WandaVision MCU series for that matter) isn't canon period. Not murky at all.

I beg to differ. Using Coulson, Nick Fury, Lady Sif and so on, plus having actual footage from The Winter Soldier incorporated into the show, makes it canon to me. Kevin Feige could issue a statement tomorrow saying it's not canon, and I will still insist it is.

 

[Joe Wong]

Regarding Agents of Shield, I would say it is canon for 1st season, maybe 2nd, but then it separated from the theatrical features.

While it was nice to see what nuggets AoS offered with respect to the films (such as seeing the aftermath of Thor: The Dark World and CA: The Winter Soldier, plus the lead-in to Age of Ultron), I think it just seemed awkward after a while to have to provide connections when the films themselves basically ignored Coulson, et al. After all, some of the threats faced by the Agents could have probably used the assistance of an Avenger (or 3).

Anyway, that's my 2c.