list of DVD-A with UNCOMPRESSED stereo tracks

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  1. Michael St. Clair

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    If a disc doesn't have the original stereo (or mono) track in an uncompressed (MLP or PCM) form, I'm not interested.

    DD2.0 doesn't cut it.

    Is there a list out there that will show me the discs that meet my criteria?


    ps Sometimes I even like the 5.1 track, I just won't spend my money if I don't get the original track also.
     
  2. Jacinto

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    I hope you get an answer, Michael, as I would also be VERY interested in such a list.
     
  3. Phil A

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    Unfortunately, that is one of the problems with DVD-A. Some things indicate advanced resolution stereo on the outside of the disc but when you get to the disc menu it shows the surround playlist and that is it. Other things have menus showing surround and stereo playlists with the same labeling. Given the lack of software being released, the stupid in-between case size, a 5.1 soundtrack inclusion (high resolution stereo would be better as far as I am concerned), the need for a video monitor, at least Warner did something with the pricing. DVD-A needs to get it act together in the near future otherwise it is in big trouble. It would be nice if someone from DVD-A would read this and address these questions and at least look at them. An easy one would be, if it says advanced resolution stereo, there should be a std. They should also label the resolution included. I don't think that is being unreasonable to ask for truth in pkging.
     
  4. Ryan Spaight

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    I've been harping on this for ages. DVD-A can hold such an enormous variety of content that clear, detailed labeling is absolutely essential. I want to know:

    - What playback options exist on a DVD-V player
    - What playback options exist on a DVD-A player
    - What the word length/bitrate is for all PCM/MLP tracks (none of this "advanced resolution" doublespeak)
    - Whether the stereo track is a true stereo mix or a folddown of the surround track

    Doesn't seem like too much to ask.

    Ryan
     
  5. Michael St. Clair

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    I think we should consider starting our own list if for no reason other than to help each other out.
    The situation is truly disappointing and as each day passes I suspect that DVD-A isn't going to make it in the long run. That won't keep me from supporting it in the short run, because I basically didn't feel I was spending extra for DVD-A capability.
    I have looked at a few DVD-A discs in the PC to see how much space they used up out of the maximum for the DVD type (DVD-5 or DVD-9) and it seems they pretty much all have room for another soundtrack or two. I don't think (on single albums) space is a consideration at this point. There is room for 5.1 DTS and at least 16/48 stereo/mono PCM and multichannel MLP and stereo/mono MLP. And frankly, PCM could probably usually be 24/96.
     
  6. KeithH

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    Michael, I'm not sure if such a list exists. The following DVD-Audio discs in my collection have discrete stereo tracks:

    * America Homecoming (24/192)
    * Christy Baron Steppin' (24/96)
    * Jonatha Brooke Steady Pull (24/176.4)
    * Celebrating the Music of Weather Report (24/96)
    * The Doors L.A. Woman (24/96)
    * Eagles Hotel California (24/192)
    * Fleetwood Mac Rumours (24/96)
    * Foreigner Foreigner (24/96)
    * Hootie & the Blowfish Cracked Rear View (24/96, I think)
    * Metallica Metallica
    * Queen A Night at the Opera (24/96)
    * Bobby Short Piano (24/96)
    * Steely Dan Two Against Nature (24/96)
    * Stone Temple Pilots Core (24/96)

    In addition, I know that the following discs have discrete stereo tracks too:

    * Queensryche Empire
    * Doobie Brothers Captain and Me
    * Deep Purple Machine Head
    * Foreigner 4
    * Eric Clapton Reptile
    * B.B. King & Eric Clapton Riding with the King
    * Paul Simon You're the One
    * R.E.M. Reveal

    This is by no means a comprehensive list. Other Universal titles besides the Queensryche disc likely have discrete stereo tracks too. The discs released by Silverline do not have discrete stereo tracks.
     
  7. Mike Broadman

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    To my knowledge, all AIX releases have stereo tracks.

    NP: Lionel Hampton, Mostly Blues
     
  8. Michael St. Clair

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    Keith,
    You've got several of mine.
    Here's a couple more that I know off the top of my head:
    Toy Matinee's eponymous release (GREAT album) has DTS5.1, DD2.0 (448k) MLP 5.1 (24/48)
    Bjork's 'Vespertine' has DD5.1, MLP Stereo, MLP 5.1
    Can't remember the rate/word for Vespertine. Both of these releases had over a gig of unused space on the DVD-5...plenty of space for an additional uncompressed stereo track on the DVD-V side of the Bjork disc, and either PCM or MLP on the Toy Matinee disc. [​IMG]
    Thanks for the warning about Silverline. I will NOT be supporting them.
     
  9. John Tillman

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    Some of mine:

    * Bela Fleck, Tales from the Acoustic Planet Vol 2: Although it lists a discrete 2-channel mix, one is not present. However, Fleck was involved in this mix which is mostly up front. Great stuff, don't let 2-channel snobbery let you pass this by. (24/96)

    * George Benson, Breezin' (24/96)
    * Willie Nelson, Night & Day (16/44.1)
    * Eric Johnson, Ah Via (24/96)
    * Grateful Dead, American Beauty (24/96)
    * " " Workingman's Dead (24/96)
    * Carly Simon, No Secrets (24/192)
    * Corrs, In Blue (24/96)
    * Al Green, GH (24/48)
     
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    Snobbery is not an issue. I have DVD-A in 2 systems too and it is about being able to play good 2-channel material. It is also about truth in packaging, which I feel is a reasonable right of the consumer from any honest venture selling to the public.
     
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  13. John Tillman

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    I guess the fact that the 2-channel is MIA is the problem. The standard should be a stereo hi-rez version first, and then if a M/C one can be put on, great.

    There obviously is another view, and that is from the artist. From my list, a couple of examples stick out:

    1. Fleck... He did the mix. He is saying "take or leave it" but this is how I the artist wish to present it.

    2. Nelson. Open the jewel box and a slip of paper falls out which states "The artist was 100% satisfied with the 16/44.1 mix and he demanded it be the hi-rez stereo mix.

    3. Johnson. After pressing a couple thousand discs the artist demanded it to be halted (and it was) because the wrong mix was used and he wasn't happy with it.

    We as users (sorry, I've been in IT for 20 years) should realize the artist sometimes makes the decisions.

    Mike, I say Fleck's mix is subtle as compared to others such as the Dead's American Beauty. Hart clearly stated on that disc he was trying to plant certain instruments in the back because that was how the band was set up back then. I'm going to have some fun with Fleck's disc and disconnect everything but the L/R fronts and see what I get. I'm expecting 90+% of the mix.
     
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    Now that I have a SACD player in my system (2 channel at the moment/ the DVDA player is connected to the Multi inputs). I can see why SACD is popular among Audiophiles. You just pop them in like a cd...no fuss.

    A DVDA does require an extra step or two at times which can make it a pain to set up quickly.
    DVDA is promising (I love the music that is available) but it still needs to be unified. All DVDA's need to be on the same page. Some kind of standard.
     
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  19. John Tillman

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    I wonder if SACD simply has artists on a tighter leash. The artists demands seem to happen on the DVD-A side, can anyone think of similar happenings (like I mentioned above) on SACD?

    I love what I have on DVD-A, but this could be a fatal flaw by preventing a platform with standards such as mandatory hi-rez stereo from developing.
     
  20. Michael St. Clair

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    John,

    Early SACD players were stereo-only. Therefore every disc has to have a 2-channel track for backwards compatibility.
     

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