1. Sign-up to become a member, and most of the ads you see will disappear. It only takes 30 seconds to sign up, so join the discussion today!
    Dismiss Notice

LG OLED Burn In

Discussion in 'Displays' started by rheff, Aug 6, 2019.

Tags:
  1. Robert Crawford

    Robert Crawford Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 1998
    Messages:
    45,364
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Michigan
    Real Name:
    Robert
    Osato and Scott Merryfield like this.
  2. Tino

    Tino Executive Producer
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 1999
    Messages:
    16,989
    Likes Received:
    8,664
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Metro NYC
    Real Name:
    Valentino
    No such thing.
     
  3. Edwin-S

    Edwin-S Lead Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2000
    Messages:
    8,345
    Likes Received:
    1,613
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    :rolling-smiley::thumbsup:
     
    Tino likes this.
  4. Tino

    Tino Executive Producer
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 1999
    Messages:
    16,989
    Likes Received:
    8,664
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Metro NYC
    Real Name:
    Valentino
    739A6B12-CA53-4F93-939A-83F92F652D84. It never ends.
     
  5. Bryan^H

    Bryan^H Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2005
    Messages:
    6,891
    Likes Received:
    3,689
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    I'm buying a 48" OLED when they come to market later this year. I'm buying a Sony. They have fantastic customer service.
    My friend has had a nightmare of an experience with LG, and that soured me on them.
     
    Tino and Robert_Zohn like this.
  6. Tino

    Tino Executive Producer
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 1999
    Messages:
    16,989
    Likes Received:
    8,664
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Metro NYC
    Real Name:
    Valentino
    I’ll bet my story has your friends beat. LG customer service is the WORST.
     
  7. Tino

    Tino Executive Producer
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 1999
    Messages:
    16,989
    Likes Received:
    8,664
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Metro NYC
    Real Name:
    Valentino
    @Robert_Zohn can anything be done about my burn in above in your opinion?
     
  8. Robert_Zohn

    Robert_Zohn Value Electronics
    Insider

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2005
    Messages:
    666
    Likes Received:
    433
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    Scarsdale, NY
    Real Name:
    Robert Zohn
    Have you tried running the clear panel noise app? Which LG OLED model do you have?
     
  9. Robert Crawford

    Robert Crawford Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 1998
    Messages:
    45,364
    Likes Received:
    21,024
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Michigan
    Real Name:
    Robert
    I believe Tino has the OLED65E6P model.
     
    Tino and Robert_Zohn like this.
  10. Tino

    Tino Executive Producer
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 1999
    Messages:
    16,989
    Likes Received:
    8,664
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Metro NYC
    Real Name:
    Valentino
    Yes. A few times. No effect.

    Robert is correct about my model.
    LG 65 E6P
     
    Robert_Zohn likes this.
  11. Bryan^H

    Bryan^H Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2005
    Messages:
    6,891
    Likes Received:
    3,689
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Not to pour salt on the wound, but how bad is it when watching content on it? Is it visible all the time through everything, or just appearing on white/light screen?

    I know burn in is bad regardless, I'm just curious how severe it is.
     
  12. Tino

    Tino Executive Producer
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 1999
    Messages:
    16,989
    Likes Received:
    8,664
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Metro NYC
    Real Name:
    Valentino
    It’s visible when anything yellow is on the screen. Which surprisingly is a lot.

    Sand. Star Wars Scrawl. Sunny scenes.
     
  13. Robert_Zohn

    Robert_Zohn Value Electronics
    Insider

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2005
    Messages:
    666
    Likes Received:
    433
    Trophy Points:
    610
    Location:
    Scarsdale, NY
    Real Name:
    Robert Zohn
    Sorry to say the only fix left is a panel replacement and LG does not have any 3D capable OLED modules left. So if you go ahead with the warranty claim they will make you sign an agreement that you understand and accept the new panel will not support 3D.
     
    Tino likes this.
  14. Edwin-S

    Edwin-S Lead Actor
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2000
    Messages:
    8,345
    Likes Received:
    1,613
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    It is hard to see anything in the pics. I mean it looks like there is a slightly darker yellow band at the top and bottom of the screen where the bars for 2.35:1 content would be, but it is hard to see in the pics. Is it burn-in or could it be panel uniformity? There has been a lot written about LG OLED panels having colour unifomity issues.
     
    Tino likes this.
  15. Tino

    Tino Executive Producer
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 1999
    Messages:
    16,989
    Likes Received:
    8,664
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Metro NYC
    Real Name:
    Valentino
    I did all that previously with another issue and gave up dealing with LG customer service due to their ineptitude and dishonesty.
     
  16. Tino

    Tino Executive Producer
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 1999
    Messages:
    16,989
    Likes Received:
    8,664
    Trophy Points:
    9,110
    Location:
    Metro NYC
    Real Name:
    Valentino
    I would lean more towards color uniformity issues. It’s out of warranty so either I replace the set and lose 3D or just live with it. Will probably become the latter.
     
  17. Blu Eye

    Blu Eye Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2020
    Messages:
    75
    Likes Received:
    37
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    Carl
    Hello.

    Can you please explain the 40 - 50fL settings etc?

    I am looking to purchase a new OLED TV soon and I am not familiar with/do not understand this term.

    Is it a setting on the TV I can change without an additional tool or can only professional calibrators do it?

    I obviously want to watch films as the director intended as well as minimizing the chances of burn in on a TV.
     
  18. JWC1969

    JWC1969 Extra

    Joined:
    May 20, 2018
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    Real Name:
    Jim
    A Foot Lambert (fL) is a measure of luminance in the standard definition range (SDR) world. (More recently, in this brave new HDR world, they've adopted a new luminance measure, candela per square meter (cd/m2) or "nit", one nit = 0.291863508 fL.)

    In the calibration world—at least according to THX specs/training—we target about 35fL (120 nits) for a TV to be watched in a light-controlled (dark) environment and 45fL (154fL) in one where they'll be some ambient light (lamps, sun, etc.) Not only does this help with eye fatigue, it ensures that you're seeing a similar light output to that which the professionals who edit/grade/color correct/etc. see in the post-production suite. (Frankly, most people think 35fL/45fL is too dark so I often fudge that to 45fL/55fL.)

    Anyway, to make a long story short, you indeed need specialized calibration equipment to accurately adjust luminance.

    If a professional calibration isn't in the cards, then one can wing it a bit on one's own.

    If you're venturing into the LG OLED world, when choose a picture mode, consider Cinema or Technicolor or ISF dark or light. Those 4 will get you MUCH closer to what a director intended than Vivid or APS or Standard.

    Then, once you've chosen a picture mode, consider lowering the OLED Light setting (which raises/lowers the luminance mentioned above) to somewhere between 35-50, the lower you can tolerate the better. (Trust me, all it takes is a couple days to get used to a darker, more accurate picture.)

    What's more, make sure you turn off TruMotion (within Picture Options), which is a motion smoothing nightmare that comes on as default in most settings and is public enemy #1 for those who want their picture to reflect the intentions of the director.

    If you're venturing into the Sony OLED world, consider these picture modes: Cinema, Cinema Pro, Custom. And to lower the luminance to an acceptable fL/nit level, adjust the Brightness setting from Max to anywhere between 25-40. And, finally, kill the motion smoothing by going into the advance settings "Motion" portion and turning off all that crap (Motionflow, etc.)

    Then, enjoy the wonderful OLED picture!
     
  19. Blu Eye

    Blu Eye Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2020
    Messages:
    75
    Likes Received:
    37
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Real Name:
    Carl
    Brilliant! Thanks for your advice!

    I am planning on getting the LG OLED65C9 as this seems to be one of the best on the market within my allocated budget of around £1,500.

    I will also wait and see for the roll out of 2020 models to check if any quality alternative TV comes onto the market at a decent price too.
     
    JWC1969 likes this.

Share This Page