Lexicon MC-1 & Logic7

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  1. Bill_D

    Bill_D Supporting Actor

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    I am in the market for a real pre/pro to replace my 898. I originally wanted a Rotel 1066 but the method in which the unit is distributed causes me personal angst ...... which is not, by the way, the subject of this thread.

    I have come across a mint Lexicon MC-1 v.4 at a very very reasonable price. Does anyone have any experience or opinion on Lexicon's Logic7 processing in this unit or a lessor Lexicon product? Is it as good as or even close to the hard coded 7.1 processing I enjoy today with DTS ES and Dolby EX?

    I know Lexicon is pretty good stuff but I don't want to take a step back.
     
  2. Michael Reuben

    Michael Reuben Studio Mogul

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    Do a search on Logic7. There have been many prior discussions.
     
  3. Bill_D

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    You are right Michael.

    I said hard-coded 7.1 because the Onkyo spits the 6 channel out 2 times in a 6th and 7th channel. Which is 7.1 to me.
     
  4. Shawn Fogg

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    " Is it as good as or even close to the hard coded 7.1 processing I enjoy today with DTS ES and Dolby EX? "

    Nope, it is better.

    BTW, a V4 Lexicon has THX Surround EX decoding as well as DTS ES decoding... it was the first product on the market to support them. You can compare them back to back against Logic 7.

    Shawn
     
  5. Michael Reuben

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  6. Bill_D

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    Basically, I was asking how Logic7 compares to its Dolby and DTS couterparts.

    Regardless, I did the search here and a couple other places and .......Dude, I'm getting a Lex.
     
  7. Michael Reuben

    Michael Reuben Studio Mogul

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    You won't be sorry. I've been so happy with Lex's Logic7 that I've never even bothered to upgrade my MC-1's software to the version that supports DD EX. [​IMG]
    M.
     
  8. Larry Chanin

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    Hi Bill:

    I've got an MC-1 and I feel that with its Logic 7 surround processing the Lexicon was the single most significant improvement in my home theater setup.

    I have version 4 software which, as Shawn mentioned, includes the other EX "6.1" surround processes, but I prefer Logic 7 to them.

    As Michael pointed out Logic 7 will create 7.1 channels in post processing from 5.1 discrete channels. It will also create 7.1 channels from just a stereo signal, something the other popular surround processes,including Dolby Pro Logic II, can't do. (The MC-1 doesn't have DPL II.)

    For some folks who want to listen to 5.1 music, a major down-side of the MC-1 is that it doesn't have 5.1 analog bypass. This can be overcome by purchasing a suitable analog preamp to do the audio switching to your amps. Sony made the TA-P900OES. I believe it has been discontinued, but the unit is still being sold new at certain distributors for less than $500.

    If you've got a good price on the MC-1, I doubt you will regret your decision.

    Larry
     
  9. Steven Simon

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    I was just offered an incredible deal on an MC1 and went back to it in a heartbeat. (I had the Mc1 before the Outlaw 950) I sold my Outlaw 950 which was a great piece for the money. Tweakability and better Sonics including Logic7 were my leaning factors in going back to the MC1.....
     
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    Steve- You lucky guy... [​IMG]
    I had looked at the DC-2 and MC-1 before I got my 950. I am happy enough with the 950. But...
    Just a question: Logic 7 more important? Or 5.1 analog passthrough for SACD/DVD-A? (Maybe I'm asking the wrong crowd... [​IMG])
    Over Christmas (thanks Santa), I will be converting my system from 6.1 to 7.1. (I have an early 90's Shure DPL processor with a "mono" mode that does some type of decorrelation that I'm going to try for kicks on the 2 mono rears the 950 puts out.)
    I have 2 SACDs (Stones, so they are hybrids) and 1 DVD-A. And probably over 500 CDs....
     
  11. Steven Simon

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    Kevin,
    Logic7 for sure.... My larger theater is strictly used for movie viewing and High Def Sat... So I have no need for the Analog Bypass for SACD or DVD-A....
    Though......
    I really need to get back to SACD... I own around 20 SACD's..... I have had 3 players that offered it, problem is I sell gear like people drink water, and currently don't have a SACD player... [​IMG] I would be doing the Music in my smaller bedroom pad.... [​IMG]
     
  12. Larry Chanin

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  13. alex tan

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    I am thingking to buy MC1. Anybody can tell me where is
    the best place to buy it with a great price? and also
    how much the price for new or used?
    Thanksssss.
     
  14. Steven Simon

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    Try Audiogon.com. I have seen them there from 1800-2500....
     
  15. Ron Boster

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    Alex:

    Buy in the used market. Expect to pay between 2,000 and 2,500 (though I'd hold out for the lower end of theat range).

    Ron
     
  16. Steven Simon

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    The used market is definitely the way to go.... Let the first owner of the unit take the big hit in price.... The Version 4.0 Loaded retails for 6k, and I would suppose the selling price is around 4500..... Buying it used at less than half of that price is a score..... Considering how good this unit sounds and performs....
     
  17. Bill_D

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    Sorry to abandon my own thread but I changed my mind pulled the trigger on a B&K Ref50.

    That being said, I found several near mint MC-1s for $1800 - $2200 before my double-cross. I also found the JBL Synthesis branded version of the MC-1, SPD-3, to be cheaper than the Lexi. All of these units had at least a couple years of valid transferable warranty left on them.

    But, I got killer deal on the Ref50.
     
  18. Steven Simon

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    Bill,

    Sounds like a great choice... Let is know how it turns out, and we look foward to a review....
     

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