Laserdisc sound vs DVD sound. Which is better?

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  1. NathanP

    NathanP Supporting Actor

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    I feel like opening a can of worms.
    I'm a bit confused.
    Which has better?
    Some tell me Laserdisc and some DVD.
    Anyone want to clear this up?
    Thanks
    Nathan
     
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    IMO...LD

    But the shiny lights are always better on DVD. And shiny lights are where it's at.
     
  4. Shane Martin

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    I've yet to hear a dvd sound the equal to the Laserdisc and its mix. This is in regards to 5.1 comparing to 5.1 Dolby Digital.

    I'm not thoroughly convinced its the mix issue either. I think Vince Manskeeper(sp?) had brought up a couple of points in a past thread discussing this.
     
  5. Vince Maskeeper

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    Manskeeper? Hey, I keep men?
    Anyway-
    My point was, and has been, I've got a bit of an issue with the 5.1 DD LD vs 5.1 DD LD concept being attibuted to mix.
    If it were mix, in theory- one would imagine that a DVD vs LD faceoff would fall to 50/50- afterall, if it's an issue of mix, it is also an issue of preference- and one could imagine that it should go both ways...
    Moreso, if it were the mix, DVD should win most of the time. Afterall, mixing technology is much further now than it was before, so new remixes should be better than old ones. Even further, DVD remixes are often geared with the HT playback in mind, so being optimized for the HT environment should give DVD even more advantage.
    However, when it comes to preference of DD 5.1, laser wins more often than not. And normally I would chalk that up to "everyone is a moron" syndrome, but I can't deny that I've experienced it myself on SEVERAL discs and have found the LD to be an improvement, even in DD 5.1 Anyone who knows me knows I'm not the type to jump on a bandwagon as far as this stuff goes. I don't buy into the bullshit- and I don't make subjective claims as fact. However, that being said- I have found some very strange issues when comparing DD 5.1 on laser and DD 5.1 on DVD-- and the shocking number of times the LD has come out in favor.
    So, I'm still wondering about DVD as an audio carrier for DD5.1 - certainly it could be other issues- ones that I have alluded to in the past (different production equipment- such as pro tools, beinf prevalent in DVD master preperation..)
    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...threadid=17979
     
  6. Scott Strang

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    Vince Sez...

     
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    Scott, probably because a PCM track consumes eight times the space required by a Dolby Digital track. That, and the fact that studios know most buyers are completely unaware of the difference between the two (which is sadly the case, bring up numbers or mention compression and most people's eyes simply glaze over).

    Adam
     
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    Could it be because LDs have separate PCM/Pro-Logic and AC3 datastreams, whereas DVDs must be mixed in such a way as to enable the transformation of the 5.1 track into the 2.0 Pro-Logic matrix?
     
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    Worms, apples and oranges. We should start an orchard!
     
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    Flash Gordon! [​IMG]
    Hmmm... Better stay on the subject...
    I've compared a lot of 5.1 DVDs with their Laserdisc counterparts on my Sony DVP-S500D DVD player and Pioneer CLD-D704 Laserdisc player with an external Pioneer AC-3 RF demodulator.
    The one element I've noticed more than anything else is that the Laserdisc soundtracks always had better bass response. I don't know if this is because the mix is different, or if the signal is cleaner coming from the Laserdisc player than from the DVD player.
     
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    Sorry about that Vince but I'm glad you poked your head in to give us your quite worthwhile post regarding this issue.
     
  14. Aaron Garman

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    I too notice extremely good bass response from DD5.1 on laserdisc too. I think it could very well be a mixing issue as well. Check out Mission: Impossible. The first time I heard it in DD5.1 in my home was on DVD and it sounded great. When I finally got a LD player capable of DD5.1, I finally could hear my M:I laser in dolby digital. HOLY MOLEY! It was like I had a new system in my house. Everything sounded better. I still use the last scene of the film to demo my theater because it is just so loud, clear, and extremely involving. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Here's the million dollar question:

    How do know which one is more accurate? That's what I've been wondering.

    Yeah, sure, the LD might have more bass. How do know it's not juiced? Mike Knapp said it well one: "I don't want LFE from a sock dropping". More bass does not necessarily equal more accurate.
     
  17. NathanP

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    Wow,
    So sometimes DPL on a Laserdisc is better then DD 5.1 on a DVD?
    Well, that must really encourage people with only DPL!
    Thanks people.
    Keep talkin'!
    Nathan
     
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  20. NathanP

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    Alright, sorry for the mistake Michael.
    So, some prefer DPL on Laserdiscs to DD 5.1 on movies.
    Can you guys give me an example of that?
    Which movies do you prefer in DPL?
     

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