Klipsch KSW12 or a Velodyne CT120?

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  1. Gary W. Graley

    Gary W. Graley Second Unit

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    I recently upgraded my mains from RF3s to RF7s and the 7s have a decent bottom end, and now I'm wondering about the sub that I have, the KSW12 I've had now almost a year and it recently seems to be kicking in better but my question is, would the Velodyne be a MARKED difference?

    Now before you guys/gals go telling me to SVS myself, I'd love to, but the wife wouldn't be letting that in the house...so I'm limited with something that is a little more concealable.

    The CT120 is last years model and the price on it is around $430 or so...if this isn't a MARKED improvement over the KSW12, then please suggest one of the Velodyne models under a $800, I'm trading mine in so I'm sort of sticking in this line up, hence the query only about Velodyne...

    Thanks all,

    G2
     
  2. Joe-T

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    First of all, congrats on the new RF-7s. I know you'll love them. I have KLF-20s and had the Velo CT-120 with them, but since then I upgraded to SVSs (not a suggestion). My experience is that the CT-120 is quite a boomy and one notey sub. Even before I developed the ears to recognize good bass, I felt it had too much boom and no definition, it was quite obvious. My JL Audio subs in my car were much more accurate. Now compared to good subs (ie. SVS, Velo HGS series) it is very boomy. I've never listened to the KSW-12, but I cannot at all foresee an improvement in switching to the Velo CT-120 (mind you, the higher-end Velos are very good, ie. the HGS series). I'm not exactly sure of the price, and I've personally never heard them before, but the Paradigm subs seem to be very popular amongst bass enthusiasts (even TVodhanel suggests it) and have an affordable price tag. I believe the most popular ones are the Servo-15 and the PW-2200, but research them to make sure. The HGS series is more expensive than your $800 mark, but there may be other intermediate Velos that are good, I just don't know them well. Just keep in mind, its a mighty difficult duty for a sub or a pair for that matter to keep up with the RF-7s, make sure you buy a high quality sub, you can always add a second later. Hope this helps.
     
  3. Brian Bowles

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    I had a velodyne for two weeks but it was the ct-10. It produced decent bass but it was real boomy and muddyy sounding. I have two VS CS+ subs now and there is no comparison. Of course there is no comparison in price either. I think a better choice would be Pc SVS or a Dharman.
     
  4. Steve Stogel

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    Since SVS is out, definitely check out the Rava or Dharman from Adire. Very good bang for your buck, and it's a box. I'm not sure how the VTF-2 from Hsu would compare, and I think the new VTF-3 may be too much. You might want to look at those, too, though.

    Steve
     
  5. Jim_F

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    I like my KSW-12, but it was summarily demoted to the basement when I got a VTF-2. Big improvement.

    (The VTF-2 has since been supplanted by a 20-39PC)
     
  6. Gary W. Graley

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    Well my one concern or problem is the return thing, if I sold it out right to someone I'd be more open to search around, but with returning it I'm in line for a Velodyne but I think that is probably a good thing as I've heard good things about them, I called the fellow up, very nice guy by the way from Stellar Stereo in Ithaca NY, William Kerry, and when I told him I was thinking about getting Paradigms sub he said PARADIGMS? I knew he probably didn't carry them but I am always up front when I speak with people, he replied that if I wanted to upgrade I should go with a company that is a Subwoofer company and suggested Velodyne, I DIDN'T know he handled those and was estatic, but now I'm down to trying to get THE one that will do the job with the RF7s...The HGS-12 looks like what I'd "LIKE" but it's listed at about $2,200, just a tad over what I can or have to spend...BUT if it is a really really good subwoofer I might have to sell a couple knives to fund this project, have almost depleted my Knife collection as it is when I got the RF7s mains and the RC7 center channel, so I'm down to it now!
    So anyone have experience with the HGS-12?
    G2, aka thumper...[​IMG]
     
  7. DwightK

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    I A/B tested the KSW-12 against a Velo CT-100 and ended up with the 100. Course I A/B tested the 120 against the 100 as well and still ended up with the 100 so that doesn't say much. Course I now have a SVS but I wouldn't say the velo is much of an upgrade over the 12. The 120 was boomier than the 100 and the KSW-12 didn't have the punch.
    CT-100 is now sitting unused, neglected, lonely[​IMG] HT is happy with the SVS though[​IMG]
     
  8. Tom Grooms

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    Wow Gary, You are all over the place here. I would not move from the KSW 12 to the CT line of subwoofers. That would be a more laterial move than anything else.

    The HGS subs are truly world class woof's. You cant do much better at any price. But for $2200 you could easily buy the HGS 15 or if you look hard enough, the HGS 18.

    If you want a box sub under $500, you CANNOT go wrong with the VTF-2 from HSU. It will run all over your KSW 12. TV from SVS recommends them weekly and they can be had for around $400.

    If you can afford the HGS, it's all the sub you will ever need....

    $0.02
     
  9. Gary W. Graley

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    Thanks Tom, I had a feeling that it was a lateral move, but wasn't sure, I'm going to pose the question to William on his best price on the HGS12 and the SPL1200, from a little searching I'm finding that those two are similar, with the SPL series being more in reach...

    G2
     
  10. Bryan Acevedo

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    Gary,
    I used to have the Klipsch KSW 12, and recently purchased a Velodyne SPL1200. No comparison. They aren't even on the same planet. I looked at the HGS line, but they were way out of my wife's budget! [​IMG]
    Saying that, I ordered mine from www.onecall.com. They had factory refurbished SPL1200s for $749 plus about $35 shipping. These are fully factory warrantied (2 years) and onecall is an authorized dealer. I got mine triple boxed, and it works flawlessly. I just checked their web site, and they have low stock on this, which means they only have a few left. If you don't mind purchasing refurbished, which I don't, then I would take a look. One thing that is nice about factory refurb - you pretty much know it will work out of the box, since it has beend repaired and tested at the factory. And with the 2 year warranty still in tact, you can't lose.
    I then sold my KSW 12 on ebay for about $260 plus shipping. So you would be looking at a little over $500 for what is essentially a $1200 - $1400 sub. I have compared the HGS 12 to the SPL 1200, and the SPL1200 just sounded more powerful. It could have been a setup issue at the store, but I have read that the SPL series put out more bass (and it is still very, very deep and clean). The HGS probably sound a little more in control, but I love my SPL sub, especially for the price I paid.
    By the way, the rest of my system consists of Klipsch RB5, RC3 and RCW3 with a Denon 3802 receiver.
     
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  12. Tom Vodhanel

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    I think onecall still has the SPL1200 at 749.00, quite the bargain if refurbed stuff doesn't scare you(it wouldn't bother me).

    TV
     
  13. Gary W. Graley

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    I'm settled on getting the SPL1200, just have to figure out how do remove the other one, that price at onecall is good for a refurbished one and that doesn't bother me as long as there is a warranty with it.

    I don't have ebay selling history and not sure if I really want to get into that, might just post it up forsale here?

    Thanks for all of your help guys, I think that I avoided a mistake and feel that the SPL will really fit the bill...

    G2
     
  14. MikeKaz

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    I was looking to replace my JBL PB12 sub (its good for music and loud, but does not go very deep) and im seriously considering the SPL1200. I was looking around and found them listed on ebay under the seller esupercenter.net. this merchant has very good feedback, and sells NEW spl 1200's on their site for $800. So this might be a better alternative. the shipping is less from this site than from onecall, so the total is only $845. I think this would be your best bet for getting it online.

    Just a question for owners- the spl1200 does go pretty low right?
     
  15. Gary W. Graley

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    Thanks Mike, I'll check that out.

    News update, my KSW12 seems to be working MUCH better lately, sometimes I think things know when they are going to be replaced and start to behave themselves? But the KSW12 Sub has better response and loudness has increased, not sure just what happened but it's more pronounced than before, but I'm still in the market for the SPL1200 I think, as that should really be a solid performer over this one...

    G2
     
  16. Bryan Acevedo

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    MikeKaz - The SPL1200 goes very low. Tom Nousaine got output (albeit very low output) down to 16 Hz. It can hit 20 Hz at 90 db. For me, that is plenty. At 25 Hz it can do 99 db. The difference between the KSW 12 (or JBL PB12) and the SPL1200 is not necessarily volume (they all will play loud), but depth and detail. This thing goes low, plays clean, and brings the detail out in the bass. I absolutely love it. I have a friend with the PB12, and while a good sub for the money (I think it is better than the KSW 12 I had), it can't keep up with an SPL1200.

    That price on ebay for a brand new one is great. Just make sure it is a new one, and that it comes with the warranty. Also, returns may or may not be easy with that ebay seller. Onecall is fully authorized, and a legit company (Huppins Audio is the brick and mortar behind it). The ebay seller may be, too, just make sure and check them out.

    Bryan
     
  17. Gary W. Graley

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    Well, did it, going to go with the SPL1200, waiting on it's arrival, next week probably, will report back if still alive after firing it up with the wife in the house...[​IMG]
    Thanks for the pointers and help guys!
    G2
     
  18. Bryan Acevedo

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    So - what do you think?
     
  19. Gary W. Graley

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    Extremely pleased with the sub! Leaps over the Klipsch KSW12 and that was no slouch, but this has nice deep bass, solid and quick, Recommend it to anyone!!

    Worth the dollars for sure, for a while I was nervous I was going to get something that wouldn't be THAT much more different than my other sub but I was pleasantly suprised!

    G2
     
  20. James Bergeron

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    Too bad I missed this thread earlier, I was going to suggest the CHT-15, it's not boomy like the 12 and sure blows away the klipsh I demoed it as well.

    Good purchase on the spl
     

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