Just Received my SVS PB2+; Realized I had a Boom Box (1 Viewer)

[ChrisWiggles]

flat bass is with flat response. MAny subs out there have large swings in response to accentuate the midbass. This adds an oomph that a lot of people like, but is horribly unrealistic. Flat bass just has flat response, the way it should be. You shouldn't notice a sub in a well-done setup. People who are used to this kind of sound often think my sub is turned off because it draws no attention to itself. They lose the *BOOM BOOM BOOM THUMP THUMP THUMP* that is so artificial, and that they are used to. Live music doesn't sound like this. you should never say *WOW that's an impressive sub* because it's either all boomy, or way too loud. IT should just be there filling in the lower octaves naturally. For movies with HUGE amounts of low bass, obviuosly you're going to notice the bass, but again, a well-calibrated setup should be natural, and blend in with the mains well.

Sometimes, people just don't want flat, authentic bass. If you actually are trying to re-create boomy bass, you'd want to EQ an SVS to add boom (i can't beleive i'm suggesting this....), or find yourself a nice boomy sub.

 

[Allan*C]

Jack,

For me, the biggest thing is as Chris said, I don't notice my sub in the system, yet I get deep, tight bass that I can feel. (Well actually you can see it because it's pretty big!)

I was always turning down and turning up my old sub to try to get it to sound right. Adjusting crossover, phase. You always knew my old sub was there. I had main speakers and a boomy sub. The bass notes were in your face and seem to go longer than they should. Now I have nice even sound.

It was the most prominent on concert DVDs. On the Eagles Hell Freezes Over, Hotel California, the opening drums were muffled and boomy. I always turned the sub down, but then had to turn it back up later. Diana Krall's Live in Paris sounded terrible. The bass was so muddled.

My SVS actually doesn't appear to sound as loud, but according to the SPL meter it is and you can feel it to boot.


Ron: Thanks for getting me the sub and keeping your delivery promises. You guys must have shipped it out as soon as it was finished. I could smell glue and epoxy smell when I opened the box!

 

[Robert_Dufresne]

Allan

Is it possible that your B&W wasn't well calibrated.

SVS is good but B&W dont sell BOOM BOX.

Robert

 

[Lewis Besze]

Oh, yes they do!
Most commercial subs have their loudest output at 62hz! Add the typical 40-60hz room mode and you have a real disaster in your hand.The sad part is that many people think that's how bass "sounds" like,or they blaime it on the soundtrack,too much bass!

 

[Edward J M]

Here's what you can expect with a 20-39PC+ or a PB2+ in the 20 Hz tune.

It is interesting to note the PB2+ actually goes deeper than the 20-39PC+ while still offering 3-4 dB greater output capability in the 20 Hz tune.

Except for a bit of room gain at around 22 Hz, the PB2+ in the 20 Hz tune is +/- 3 dB from 100 Hz down to 15 Hz - FLAT, clean, accurate, and deep. This is how bass SHOULD sound.

Regards,

Ed

 

[Allan*C]

Robert,

My B&W sub is four years old, has a 12" driver, ported design and a 175W amp. Paid about $1100. I'm not an audio technician or an expert. I'm just a guy enjoying my system. All I know is that the subs are in the same spot, driven by the same pre/pro (Anthem), set up with the same test tones and SPL meter. Bottom line, for me, the SVS is much better in every respect except looks (B&W make nice looking loudspeakers, I have 10 of them in my home still). I don't much about loudspeaker design or frequency, I just know what I like.

I had a terrible time trying to adjust the B&W, but with that I still wasn't going to change it until Finding Nemo made it bottom out repeatedly. I'm glad I did though. My wife comments on how much better it sounds now as well.

I'll leave the theoretical calibration and frequency stuff to the experts.

 

[Joe Szott]

You guys are making me salivate. My dual SM-40 sony subs aren't worth to carry a PS2+'s lunch.

 

[steve nn]

Thats Funny Joe. Sad to tell you it's the truth though. There was a time when I had one.

Ed now that looks like good bass. Save some for me.

 

[Edward J M]

Like you really need more, Mr. Triple Threat.

 

[steve nn]

"Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary" states under the definition of (Need) as follows.

1: necessary duty: obligation: 2: a lack of something requisite, desirable or useful: 3: a condition requiring supply or relief: 4: adding a/one more SVS sub woofer to the mix.

 

[Dave Shepard]

Brake-out or buy the movies K-19 or U571 and get ready for some aggresive felt bass. Your jaw will hit the floor. When I recieved My PB2+ those 2 movies still impress the hell out of me and the sub still gives me woodies

 

[Parker Clack]

And yet another application for an SV Subwoofer. I can see the ads now.

Forget get the Viagra. Just get a killer soundtrack and throw in a few SV Subs.

Ron:

I think you guys should petition medicare so they pay you guys instead of the pharmaceutical giants.

Take one round of good sub bass and call me in the morning.

 

[Dan Schulze]

Hey guys, got a question for you SVS owners. I have been reading all the great things about SVS subs and am considering on getting one to see what this is all about. I am particularly interested in a 'non-boomy' sub and it sounds like the PB2-plus certainly does the job.

My question is: How does the PB2-plus compare to the cylinder subs SVS makes (particularly to the 16-46 PC-Plus, 20-39 PC-Plus, 20-39 CS+ or the 16-46 CS+)? Is the sound different, and if so better or worse?

I realize that this is an opinion related question, but hey, that's what I am looking for.

By the way, I currently have a Velodyne HGSII-18. How does the sound of the SVS compare to the Velo?

Thanks for your responses!!

Dan

 

[Joe Szott]

Dan, the cylinder and box subs have sounds that are very similar. The difference is the cylinder is a lot taller and lighter, the box subs are heavy and squat. Otherwise, each give the same (approximate) sound. Look at the FAQ on the SVS website, they go into this in quite a bit of detail.

 

[Jon_Krug]

i don't understand why u would want to upgrade from an hgs18, but if u really want to, u would need atleast the pb2+. either way, i don't see a point in upgrading the hgs18 unless u r going up to the b4+

 

[CarlV]

Dan,

I'm in Vegas also and I have a dual SVS Ultra setup. Feel free to bring your HGSII-18 over, we can do a comparison. Email me at [email protected]

 

[WayneO]

To answer one of Dan's questions, I had a 20-39PC+ and now PB2+ tuned at 20hz, and I think the box sounds just a smidge "tigher" in my setup. The difference between the two in output is definately noticable. I don't know anything about the Velo, but I'd get the PB2+ to get the most performance from this "upgrade".

 

[Dan Schulze]

Jon,


Also Wayne, Carl & Joe,

Thanks for the feedback guys. I am not looking to actually do an upgrade, I am pleased with my HGSII-18. I enjoy great, deep, tight bass as I am sure all of you do too. The SVS subs are so reasonably priced, that I was thinking of more like an addition than anything. I could then tune each of them to compliment each other, or switch back and forth, or - oh the possibilities seem endless. I purchased the Velo just this last May and recently upgraded my remaining speakers, but I am curious about the sound, like I said before I have read so much good stuff about SVS.

Carl, thanks for the offer. I will e-mail you and see if we can work something out (I am wondering about lugging my big heavy sub around, but I have got the original box, I wouldn't want to damage it!)

Once again, I appreciate your thoughts!!

How low can we go?!

Dan

 

[Lewis Besze]

1 of them would give run for it's money[Velo]2 would be unfair.

 

[Shad R]

what is "bottoming out"? What does it sound like? BTW, I have a 15 inch def tech that goes to 14 hz and sounds great, but I would like the SVS. Sounds like you guys are enjoying them