Just an observation on high-res from overseas

Discussion in 'Music' started by Danny Tse, Aug 22, 2003.

  1. Danny Tse

    Danny Tse Producer

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2000
    Messages:
    3,185
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I spend last week in Guangzhou, China visiting my aunts and cousins. While there, I checked around for any possible hi-rez bargains that I can pick up. Of all the music stores I visited, only one store carried any hi-res titles. And they are all SACD, no DVD-A. There were "Air Supply: The Definitive Collection", "Kenny G Live", "Joe Weed: The Vultures", "A City of Sadness - Soundtrack", and some classical Chinese music titles on SACD. Prices are comparable to what we pay here in the States for domestic SACD releases. But no Police, Pink Floyd, or any of the Sony SACD releases in sight.

    While returning to the States via Hong Kong (I didn't have time to venture into the city to damage my credit card balance), I picked up a copy of HK's audiophile magazine, HiFi Review. Since the issue was splited into 2 separate magazines, hardware and software, I checked out the software section with interest. Wow!! Talk about ads for SACD releases....separate full page ads for the Air Supply and Kenny G SACDs, Kiki Dee's "Almost Naked" SACD, Rebecca Pidgeon's "Retrospective" SACD on Chesky, 2 page full color ad by HK Sony Music on all titles done by its mastering studio (including releases from BMG, Warner Bros., and Universal Music and others), and local HK label Crown Records on 2 of its upcoming SACD releases. The lone DVD-A ad was one for a McIntosh (the high end audiophile equipment manufacturer) demo disc that doesn't require turning on a video monitor for setups.

    Just reporting what I saw....
     
  2. Michael St. Clair

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    6,001
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Nintendo sells way more Gamecube than XBox in Japan, but XBox sells more than Gamecube here.

    Different markets aren't always in the same state.

    What sells really well in Asia are bootleg redbook CDs and CD-ROMs of MP3 files. [​IMG] I have aquaintances who travel regularly to China and Thailand and they bring back stacks of them, along with bootleg DVDs.
     
  3. Danny Tse

    Danny Tse Producer

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2000
    Messages:
    3,185
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You are right about pirated discs....should've purchased that all-region "Finding Nemo" DVD when I had the chance....[​IMG]
     
  4. Lee Scoggins

    Lee Scoggins Producer

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    6,394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    Lee
     
  5. LanceJ

    LanceJ Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2002
    Messages:
    3,168
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Like Michael said, different markets like different things.

    Over in the U.K., Robbie Williams is huge.

    EMI tried to market him here recently, and as far as I can tell, nothing happened.

    LJ
     
  6. Lewis Besze

    Lewis Besze Producer

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 1999
    Messages:
    3,134
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    European market seems to embrace many technological advances before the US.Ask them how many years they been selling WS tvs.
    I remember when I came to the US in 1989 from Austria,I thought I took time travel,however prices seemed to be lower on similar products here.
     
  7. Lee Scoggins

    Lee Scoggins Producer

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    6,394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    Lee
     
  8. Tomoko Noguchi

    Tomoko Noguchi Second Unit

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2000
    Messages:
    459
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    SACD is bigger here in Japan, that is for sure.[​IMG]
     
  9. Sathyan

    Sathyan Second Unit

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2002
    Messages:
    298
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    We have five big labels:
    Sony (Columbia)
    Vivendi (Universal/MCA/Philips/DG/Blue Note)
    EMI (Virgin)
    Warner (Atlantic/Elektra/Teldec)
    BMG (RCA)

    I've noticed most of my US pop is Atlantic, my French/Francophone pop is Sony, my British pop is Virgin and Atlantic, and my Latin pop is Universal. Whether these companies actually have regional strengths or my purchases are not generalizable.

    The other thing I've noticed is my RBCD purchases have become overwhelming non-American pop. Where possible I've shifted to high rez. This has been rather successful in Classical, Jazz and older American pop but I can't seem to get my French pop titles on SACD (I have a list of some 20 titles I want to buy but have been holding out for high-rez), etc. Are these titles just not getting exported to the States or have they not made it to market in France/Canada either?

    Sathyan

    NP Suite Flamenca (LP)
     
  10. Michael St. Clair

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    6,001
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Widescreen TVs have become the norm, but cropped and/or stretched broadcasts have become commonplace.

    Hardware does not automatically lead to properly presented, high-quality content.
     
  11. Lewis Besze

    Lewis Besze Producer

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 1999
    Messages:
    3,134
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
     
  12. Rich Malloy

    Rich Malloy Producer

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2000
    Messages:
    3,998
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    And I find that I've actually purchased more import than domestic SACDs this summer, and it'd be a ton more if I could convince myself to pay the premiums for the Miles Japanese-SACDs (which I can't help but think Columbia/Sony will eventually release domestically).
     
  13. Lee Scoggins

    Lee Scoggins Producer

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    6,394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    Lee
     
  14. Phil A

    Phil A Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2000
    Messages:
    3,181
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Location:
    Central FL
    Real Name:
    Phil
  15. LanceJ

    LanceJ Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2002
    Messages:
    3,168
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Dvd-audio hardware sales don't say much because I'll bet many people that buy dvd-audios just play them on their dvd-VIDEO players. I did that for almost two years. Not everybody is into hi-res but many might be into surround music & don't care if it's from a compressed format like Dolby or DTS.

    DSOTM sales? We've all been down that road before.

    LJ
     
  16. Lee Scoggins

    Lee Scoggins Producer

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    6,394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Real Name:
    Lee
     
  17. Danny Tse

    Danny Tse Producer

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2000
    Messages:
    3,185
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Hmmmmm....the names we are looking at are all global entities....Sony, Philips, EMI, Warner Bros., Panasonic, etc....yet from all indications within this thread, the SACD camp seems to have much better marketing worldwide.

    Going back to the Hong Kong market, while Sony and Philips have always had strong presense there (especially when Philips owned Polygram Records, now Universal Music), so did Warner Bros. and Panasonic. Especially now with Warner Bros. being the dominant music company in that market. Yet HK Warner Bros. chose to go with the SACD format. Looking through Hong Kong home theater/audio websites like Review33.com, there's hardly any mention of DVD-A. In a extremely small market such as Hong Kong (where sales of 25,000 copies gets you a gold record), one would think riding on the success of DVD-Video would be one way to ensure success.

    For me, this is not about which format is better. It comes down to the availability of titles that are of interest to me, and able to provide me a better music listening experience.
     
  18. JimChan

    JimChan Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2000
    Messages:
    88
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Basically, DVD-A in HK is really a non-starter. There are only a few stores which sell DVD-A and one of them primarily sells DVD video, which is not a music store itself. Whereas many stores which sell CDs also sell SACDs. None of the local artist have issued one DVD-A yet.
     
  19. Phil A

    Phil A Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2000
    Messages:
    3,181
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    Location:
    Central FL
    Real Name:
    Phil
    Lee, it is likely a bit off. Levinson/Madrigal is going through a learning curve since they closed the CT plant and shipped everything in trailers to Lexicon's MA plant. They have trouble finding things and will need to do catching up with their current auto and home stuff, although I would bet that a good part of their car system stuff is retweaked JBL which has extensive experience in the auto market.

    I don't know with hybrids coming out what the big deal is with having a hi-rez player in the car, paticularly with the noise environment and the likely premium price for initial systems of either DVD-A or SACD. Most auto enthusiasts I know want the stuff they have now that has a big hard drive that gets pulled out of the car and attached to a PC to download MP3s in addition to XM. While it is good news for the hi-rez formats, available software at CD-like prices, will, in my opinion play a bigger role in the success or failure of either format.

    When players are available, I hope no one out there drives at the same time they are attempting to sit in the sweet spot of a multi-channel hi-rex mix.[​IMG]
     

Share This Page