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June HT tour in Austin.

Discussion in 'Home Theater Forum Meets' started by Colin Dunn, May 13, 2004.

  1. Hank Frankenberg

    Hank Frankenberg Cinematographer

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    Good tour, sorry I had to leave early to practice some music for next day. I did want to see/hear Greg's HT, but I arrived at Greg's at 7:59 after taking a wrong turn and driving up and down Loop 1...never mind.


    Or, if you're budget-constrained, some HF Soundwerks speakers.[​IMG]
     
  2. Mark J

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    The speakers are designed to be mounted with a simple 3" brass screw. Both the mounting bracket and the posts are recessed.

    I've got to give a huge thumbs up for Chad's theater! It looked simply amazing! It was obviously a huge labor of love.
     
  3. Jacob Aaron

    Jacob Aaron Stunt Coordinator

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    The Tour was really nice. I like how we saw the "internet bought," HT first. Mark must really hate the middleman [​IMG] I had yet to see the Virtuoso in person. I don't know what Immersive is doing now, but that projector was better than its numbers. I always liked the specs on it, except for the 600 ANSI Lumens, but in Mark's less than perfect lighting situation the picture wasn't lacking for brightness.

    I had a hard time figuring out how good the Rockets were at imaging, because we never listened to any 2.0 music. The surround stuff in the movies sounded good however, but we were always listening to good mixes that can make bad systems sound good (not saying they are bad, just that I didn't get a good listening in, they looked beautiful tho)

    I noticed Mark had Onyx (online), Virtuoso (online), and Bravo (at the time online), but what was his receiver? Probably Outlaw :wink: I don't know what the middleman ever did to you Mark, but I think you should have saved the $1000 per window for arches and put it in an SVS Sub or two [​IMG]

    Chad's theater was again amazing. I find his theater to be one of the best I've seen whether DIY or professional. Chad should be very proud of Pelan, as I'm sure she did all the tough stuff! The Panasonic 300 even grew on me. "Underworld," wasn't the best choice to see its full capabilities. So it was nice seeing some demos that showed what it was capable of. HDTV looked really good, and it was only a 540p picture!

    The Klipsh do have to go, but I'd suggest a new source first. I think a nice Meridian G98 would really show off the full capabilities of your HT, then you could upgrade your receiver later. I hope to hear some Mirus speakers soon, so maybe they are what you need. I'll let you know my .02.

    Greg's theater was nice, but I felt severely disappointed after he told me his dad had Meridian gear. Greg, why weren't we at your Dad's? :wink:

    Seriously it was a good picture for the little bit I saw, and I know the NAD receiver was a great buy. It was a great setup that showed you really don't HAVE to go the HDTV route yet.

    John's Theater showed you how cool Martin Logans look. The Scripts which weren't even broken in yet (Martin Logans get better with age) and they sounded great in the surrounds with some really GREAT imaging. The fronts could have really used some better placement, currently I think the acoustic treatments behind them might be hurting them just a little as well. I'm sure John will have it all worked out shortly as his is a project still under construction.

    Still John has some wonderful EQ with Sunfire, Martin Logan, BenQ, Mesa...

    It was great meeting all of you (again for some of you), and meeting some of your wives as well. John's wife gets my "HT Spouse of the Year," award after saying "I don't care what it costs, I just want the best," or something along those points when I assured her the sound could be fixed in the room cheaply (and well done). John, your wife kicks ass!

    Hope to see y'all shortly, I'll hold a movie night in August and perhaps we can play some Poker as well.
     
  4. Steve Stogel

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    Sorry I missed the HTs (especially since I'm more HT oriented than two channel or music [​IMG]). My in-laws moved this weekend, so we were over there just about all day Saturday and Sunday. I've got to see Chad's theater. I've been there once for poker, and the HT was but a twinkle in his eye at the time, but you could already see the potential. Sounds like its potential was realized, and I'd love to see it.

    As far as the Nemo scene, which one in particular are we talking about with the shadow detail. That should be one thing that the Marquee is very good at, and I'd like to check it out. I've only seen the movie 50 or so times, I'd guess.

    Take care, all, and I hope to see everyone soon at a poker gathering or HT gathering.
     
  5. Greg Risley

    Greg Risley Second Unit

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    I had a great time. Wish I could have made the earlier stops but thats the retail world. Many thanks to all. Austin just rules this board. Sun. morning I went and got some grey paint and am in the process of painting my screen since it is on its last legs. I've been toying with the idea ever since I got the thing out of storage when we moved and noticed mold on it. I'll let you guys know how it comes out.

    Greg
     
  6. Humphrey

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    The Nemo scene is right at the beginning after Marlin wakes up in the anenome(?) and swims down to where their eggs were to discover the coral nursery cave is empty. If you pause right where the camera angle is inside the cave and Marlin is in the entrance, look around the inside of the cave you should be seeing details on the roof and right side as well as the left. From what I saw its easy to see a little on the lower left. The roof and right side was where the better calibrated projectors and dvd players showed off.
     
  7. Scott Oliver

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    Mmm...Poker

    I am going to host a listening party and poker game as soon as my new cables come in - hopefully end of July.
     
  8. Frederick_Falk

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    I to would like to thank all of the hosts for graciously opening up there homes to us for what I thought was the best meet ever. My wife even commented that she enjoyed herself and had a good time meeting and talking with the other wives. All of the theaters were great and it was nice not to have to sit through calibrations before seeing clips of movies. I can't wait till we do a northern tour in the fall. I have heard several people say they would be interested in hosting our group.

    Of course the rubber-band gun war at John's house was a blast for both those who were participating and those that got to watch. Even though it turned into a long evening, the fellowship was very entertaining and I didn't want it to end. Again, thanks to one and all who helped put this together.

    I also hope to get to see our San Marcus friends again at our next meet.
     
  9. Rich_Ave

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    I'd like to add my thanks to those who hosted and organized this event, I had a great time. This was my second HT tour, I always learn something at each stop, which has unfortunately, given me a severe case of upgrade-itis. Once again, thank you. - Rich
     
  10. John Prator

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    OK, now this sucks!! I just spent 15 minutes typing up a nice long response, went to get a smily and clicked on the little link over there to the left that says "Extra Smilies" and lost my whole post!![​IMG] Maybe they should get rid of that or give some warning!!!!!! Uhhhhggggggggg. Rant off.


    Ok, first off I wanted to say Thank You to all of you that let us into your homes to check out your HT's. It was great to see how all of you have implemented your ideas into your own HT's. I probably should have waited to show mine as I am having picture problems(I am beginning to think that this is being caused by my dvd player), don't have all my room treatments yet, speakers are resting right where I set them when we carried them up there, etc. But either way We had a ball!! Thank you all.

    Mark,
    Was sure nice meeting you and I/We liked your HT. I really like the picture your getting with your combo, if I had to describe it in a few words I would say it is pleasing, smooth and relaxing, really nice. I like the looks of those Rocket speakers also. Good job you have done there.[​IMG]

    Chad,
    You suck!! No no, just kidding but seriously now, you suck!!!![​IMG] No I'm just jealous, you guys did a GREAT job on your HT, wow man is all I can say. That is the most realistic, as in sounding like a true commercial theater I have ever heard. Your bass is nice and powerful, surrounds rock, even had a popcorn machine. When can we move in??[​IMG]

    Greg,
    I like your HT also, so nice and cozy. You sure are getting a nice pic out of that LT150. I really like your hush box and I want one now! So here's my "idea": Just to be on the safe side you should load up that cool Slot car race track, and your tools and come over to my house. Then you can build me a hush box just like yours(will need Scott to come over and open it up for me though), as a return favor I will "store" the race track and take good care of it for you. How does that sound? [​IMG] Seriously though, you left your Toslink Xbox cable over here, stop by whenever you want to pick it up. I might have to "twist your arm to make you drink a beer though".[​IMG] You have a great HT Greg.[​IMG]

    It was great meeting all of you, we had a blast. And, as some of you may know, my wife also had a "blast" but she wasn't feeling to good the next morning.[​IMG] She "claims" she won't be drinking any more of Scott's Martini's for awhile, uhhh yeah, sure. We hope to see all of you again, soon. Maybe we will have a party at our house in the very near future if ya'll are interested. Let's do it again soon!!![​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  11. Frederick_Falk

    Frederick_Falk Second Unit

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    Hey Jacob,

    You did not lose your post! It is the last post on page 5! Go back and check it out.
     
  12. John Prator

    John Prator Stunt Coordinator

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    Jonathan,
    Thanks for the sound treatment advice but don't think the Little Lady is too keen on the idea of 4" of fiberglass over the whole front wall. Have been told by many ML owners that you don't want to over-do the treatment on your front wall, you need dispertion not too much absorbstion(spelled right??). Anyway, We bought and hung some pretty thick curtains up there on Sunday and it was shocking how much they helped the sound. I ended up returning them though, we didn't like the color, but I will eventually find the right color(most likely just black)and hang em up! As for the first reflection points, believe it or not we did use the old mirror trick and that's where they are but I will check it again just to be sure. I also plan on placing a second treatment just to the rear of the first ones, just waiting for the $$ to show up. The room was kind of just thrown together as I haven't had time to fiddle with the speakers, ran out of $$ to buy room treatments, etc. Hope to have it all tuned and together in the next month or two. Thanks for your help and I hope you come down again soon, will need some of your expertise and Dana had a ball with your better half. See ya soon.
    John


    Dave,
    The Evo rocks!! I haven't had any problems with it at all and everyone that I know locally with one hasn't had any problems either. Maintenance costs are not high at all, it does require Mobil One synthetic oil and you must run Super Unleaded but otherwise it's low cost. Another great point on the car is the insurance costs. It is priced insurance wise just like a regular four door sedan, cheap. I love the car and it is so fast it's not even funny. I have shamed a few VERY expensive sports cars and have countless Mustangs etc under the belt. Unreal at what you can get for under $30K in that car. I thought about handing you guys the keys for the rest of the tour but didn't figure you wanted us driving your Porsche. Your more than welcome to call me or come by anytime and check it out and chat about it. PM me if you need my phone numbers. Talk to ya soon.
    John

    Jacob,
    Thanks for the compliments, I do love those ML's and if someone wanted them they would probably have to fight Dana over them![​IMG]
    So how did your wife like the Buttkickers? I still need to calibrate them better. I messed with them a little last night and afterwards we watched the Return of the King and man do they rock. Extremely powerful. Either way, I like em!
    John

    Nils,
    I am begining to think that most of my problem is with my dvd player. It is crushing whites severely. I think I'm going to wait and see what the major players have to offer in dvd players soon as I want DVD-A, SACD and DVI/ I have been eyeballin the Denon 5900 but don't want to pay $2K for a dvd player, maybe I can get a refurb or something. Thanks for your advice and hope to see ya again soon!
    John
     
  13. John Prator

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    Oh Yeah, Scott, Thanks for bringing your good stuff to make everyone Scott-tinies!! Dana loved em, she probably only drank fifty bucks worth of em!! [​IMG]
     
  14. Dave Elliott

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    Some more thoughts:

    Greg: I forgot you had an LT150. Sorry I didn't make it past the first 2 stops. The LT150 still throws a better picture out there than all but the newest DLPs IMHO. Granted, it needs a lot of masking and a hush box, but if done right it actually looks amazing. Mine is now at Frederick's church, but I miss the little thing everytime I look up and see that BIG HONKIN BENQ hanging over me. Oh well, the BenQ was a definite improvement.

    Chad / Jonathan: What do you recommend for the walls below the chair rail? Where did you get your panels Chad? Also, what type of insulation did you put in the riser?

    John P: We were incredibly impressed by the Evo during our test drive. I actually got to push it a LOT. The sales guy was a former Skip Barber instructor or something so he didn't mind at all. I'd have been happy to exchange test drives, but the weather was lousy so I was just taking it easy. Maybe we can hook up for lunch sometime. I'll PM you if we have any more questions about it.

    All of this has definitely given me plenty of HT ideas. So I'm sure once I formally start I'll be clogging up the DIY thread.

    -Dave
     
  15. John Prator

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    Dave,
    IF you guys are looking at the 04 Evo's you do know that there are several different models now right? Like the MR[​IMG] , and the different levels like the Urban Assault etc?? If not, don't buy yet until you pick the right model for you(MR). So many different ones to chose from(MR), which one to get(MR)??? I know right now your probably wondering which one(MR)I would buy, well I guess I would have to go with the MR model.
    You guys are more than welcome to cruise on down south and check mine out if you like, will give you a chance to see our HT also, then we'll do lunch while we're at it.
    John
     
  16. Colin Dunn

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    Any thoughts on the relative effectiveness of 2" vs. 4" thicknesses of sound-absorbing foams? The 2" would be much more practical for integrating with wall decor such as chair rails, moldings, hanging pictures, etc., but obviously will offer less absorption. Is the performance difference really that big?
     
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    That was a really fun tour. Kudos to Scott for such a great coordinating job and to all the hosts for not only sharing their marvelous home theaters with all us yahoos, but for making the event such a memorable one. (I can honestly say I wont be forgetting the rubber band fight for sometime and those amazing martinis from our master bartended are still fresh on my mind - and liver) [​IMG]

    Mark,
    You have a terrific set-up and your Virtuoso was perfectly dialed in! The combination of the HiPower and NHT720 looked fantastic, better than some HD+ set ups I have seen in the past.

    Chad,
    What can I say that I and others have not already said before? Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I'd love to see a higher contrast, resolution projector or even a high gain screen in your truly cinematic room, but in the meantime, you have that Panny really well calibrated.

    Greg,
    I got lost in conversations outside the theater so I missed out on your demo, but I'm sure you'll be showing it off next time you crush my cup car against the wall. [​IMG]

    John,
    I realize your HT, as all of ours, is a work in progress, but even with out some troubleshooting, your room and equipment are quite impressive. I'm not sure the SilverStar is the right screen for your needs, and you might want to consider taking up the offer from Jason and return it. If Mark is willing and available, I'd recommend you try your 8700+ on his screen and see what you think. I'd be surprised if the HiPower won’t meet your expectations/needs. Please thank Dana again for her amazing hospitality.

    I suppose my only real disappointment from the tour was the MIA Swedish art film demo! [​IMG]

    Oh, and I must offer special gratitude to the Mrs. for not only being so gracious about me being away for most of Saturday, but for not hitting me with a rolling pin when a crawled into bed past 2am.... took a while for the effect from those martinis to finally wear off.

    Not until it stops raining, which at this rate might not be until August! In fact maybe the next group DIY project should be on Ark building.
     
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    John-

    "My technique for ideal toe-in is pretty low tech but extremely accurate. Get a flashlight. Sit in the listening seat. Hold the flashlight directly above the top of your head. Aim the beam of light at the electrostatic element of each speaker. You will see a vertical streak of light reflected off of the film inside the grid. It will be a very narrow and distinct vertical streak. As you change the toe-in of the speaker, the vertical streak will move across the front of the speaker. Toe the speaker until the light streak is between 1 ½ to 2 inches from the edge of the wood trim on the inboard side. In this position, the speakers will be aimed past you to the outside. In other words you will not be facing the dead center of the speakers. You will be facing the inner 1/3rd of the panels curve.

    This technique works extremely well regardless of the distance to the speakers or even between the speakers. It will also provide you with the flattest response across the bandwidth. "

    I got that in an email from Jim Power, Martin Logan's current genius. That should help your sound IMMENSELY.

    Moving your speakers a little back, and some curtains will help just as you have found. I'd also never go with any Denon product. If you're looking to replace that Sony, I'd suggest the new NAD DVD T563 which will retail for around $600-700 and have DVD-Audio along with DVI outputs. You won't have to spend $2k, and you get much better sound than the Denon. You can keep your Sony for SACD purposes.

    Scott- I'm having trouble playing the "pick the cables," game, maybe you have some ideas I haven't considered.
     
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    Colin,
    It depends on what frequencies you're going after. About a few hundred Hertz there isn't much difference between the foams. The extra thickness helps get you down an octave lower or so. So if you have problems with muddy sounding midbass or lower midrange, then you want to go with the 4" stuff. If you're happy with your midbass, then you can get by with the 2" stuff.

    John,
    Your HT is plenty far along to show off, I was quite impressed. Wait till you see mine, two years in the making and I still don't have my basic acoustical treaments finished. As for the fiberglass, isn't your front wall black? Fibreglas panels covered in black cloth would look pretty much the same. When I say fibreglas panels I'm not talking about the rolls of pink stuff. The question of total absorption on the front wall vs. absorptive and diffusive is a tricky one, it depends on your preferences and goals.

    Offtopic, with all this talk about Evos, what are the thoughts on the Subaru WRX and VW R32?
     
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    The receiver is an Onkyo that I got from one-call [​IMG] It was actually a factory refurbished unit that was an amazing price. Also, the hi-power was from AVS.

    As to what the middleman did to me, I tried to buy a front projector at A&B. They had a Sharp 12K calibrated to just two colors (blue and white) with no shades in between. At that point, I decided that if I couldn't get a real demo before buying, why pay the extra $.

    --Mark
     

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