Well, after a few months of trying to find the right receiver for my needs, I decided to go with the onkyo 601. It was an ok price at 299, so I went for it. Anywho, it comes in today from JR, and I open the original box. Well, the factory seal was replaced by a different layer of packing tape. No big deal. I open that, and see that the batteries to the remote are not sealed together. Again, no big deal. Then I see a couple of big deals. The drawer to one of the fiber optic connections is broken off, and the laser is covered with a metal sliver. Then, the case is semi-bent where someone had opened the unit. So, I call JR, and they tell me that since it has an “inventory control” sticker, it should not have been shipped. Their refurb price is 199 on these units. I decide that instead of go with the hassle, I would go ahead and take the unit at that price, even though it would be at least missing one fiber optic connection, and maybe more. No dice. The manager wants to haggle, and refuses to go any lower than 250. What bs. I will never shop there again. It’s a shame, because their prices are so good, and they have such a good reputation around here. Sorry for the rant; I am just frustrated.