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Discussion in 'Movies' started by Sam Favate, Jun 13, 2018.
I want to see this film. Mainly because I want to see what Phoenix is doing with this character.
This trailer is really growing on me. I am a lot more interested than I thought I could ever be. I hope it is an amazing performance.
I made a bet with a friend of mine that this film won’t crack $100 million domestic as I don’t think audiences care about a Joker film. He thinks it will be a smash.
What say ye??
I'm with you.
Many people had similar sentiments about Venom. That ended up being #13 domestic and #7 worldwide for the year.
Arguably, I think the Joker character may be more popular than Batman himself, but I'm not sure this is the origin/stand-alone version that will connect with a mass audience.
The Joker may very well be the most popular of DC (and Marvel's) villains.
This film will make the $100 million by the end of the second weekend, easy. Probably a $300-400 million final domestic box office.
70 domestic, overall total 190 worldwide. That is my guess.
The other thing to consider is that this is not just a Joker film, it's a Joker film with no connection to anything that DC has done before and will have no connection to anything they do afterwards. We'll never see Phoenix's version of the character again. It will be an island in the stream, and that's why I don't think it will do much business, especially in today's superhero film market that's based on continuity and "universes."
I don't think there is any chance it grosses anywhere near those numbers.
Actually I’m sure of it.
That’s about my guess too.
We'll meet back here on October 14th and I promise not to say "I told you so!".
The negativity from me anyway is that the trailer looks like a character study of a comic book villain that I never really cared about anyway, unless he was fighting or going against a superhero. I don't want a dark origin story of this character. I don't want to explore the duality of the Joker, and how complex his character is. I simply want the Joker to be a crazy creative villain and Batman figuring a way to stop him.
Exactly! And in the next Batman film "The Batman" I'm sure we will see another version of The Joker yet again.
And, funny enough, another version of Batman! So, what's the difference?
It'll get a lot of attention. I could see it making around Venom numbers (which were $213M domestic), depending on reviews.
I doubt much more, this being the 4th modern incarnation of the Joker character.
Other than here, the buzz I've seen is positive (I haven't seen the trailer so I can't comment) but I think it'll easily make $100 million. People might end up hating it but they'll go because it looks "dark and gritty".
I'm superheroed out so if it wasn't for Scorsese's involvement, I probably wouldn't even bother to see it.
This film I believe will suffer from the SOLO syndrome.
Belief that a popular “secondary” character warrants their own film mistakingly overestimating audience interest resulting in disappointing box office returns.
I’ll probably see it and will gladly eat my own words if I am wrong.
Part of the problem with SOLO was that people didn't want to see someone other than Harrison Ford play Han Solo. The Joker has already been played by several actors so that won't be an issue in this case.
I actually think it will since I don’t believe audiences want another actor after Nicholson’s and Ledger’s interpretations. Leto’s version was pretty much dismissed.
We’ll see I guess.
Is the stand-alone Leto film still on?