Japanese: Time to recognize "upgrading"

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  1. RichardMA

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    This concept seems to have been imperceptable (or not?)

    to the Japanese receiver/preamp makers for the last 40

    years. Yet, North American products (higher end) often

    allow for upgrades. Now, finally, Denon has realized

    that maybe (due to the diminishing U.S. middle class)

    a $3000 receiver shouldn't be obsoleted every 9 months.

    Denon's top of the line receiver (a year ago) can actually

    be partially upgraded with a $1000 board (installed by Denon service reps) so that it is "close" to the level of

    the latest $4000 behemouth. This is a good sign. The

    Japanese are facing reality; If you want to charge $3-$4k

    for a receiver that once would have cost $1500, you have

    to allow for some flexibility and longevity. Lets hope other Japanese designers/companies realize this too.
     
  2. StevenK

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    Which North American products allow for upgrades that are fairly inexpensive. I know of no $1500 receiver/pre-pro by an American manufacturer that has a cheap upgrade path. Not trying to be sarcastic or rhetorical...I honestly don't know. I know the Lexicons are upgradeable but are quite expensive to start with and the upgrades themselves aren't exactly free. On the other hand, I do know the Onkyo 989 and Integra 9.1 are reasonably priced and can be upgraded to the latest formats for $50. To me, it seems the argument is reversed.
     
  3. Ted Todorov

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  5. Brandon_T

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    Sony has offered several upgrades for the Tae 9000 and 777es at very reasonable prices. And the 9000 was a great pre/pro at only $1800 retail. They continue to support that product, and it is over 2 years old. I have a friend who has an Anthem AVM2, while a great product, is still waiting on several upgrades, and now it seems, they have really forgotten about the promises of the AVM2. Just my thoughts

    Brandon
     
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    If you had been to Japan, this would make more sense to you. I just spent 2 years there. Recycling, reusing, upgrading are concepts only just now making serious headway in their culture.

    If you think consumer electronics have a short shelf life here, the turnover there would spin your head. Even older houses tend to be torn down for modern ones. It is the property that appreciates over there. Houses tend to lose value.

    BB
     
  7. VinhT

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    Obsolescence within 9 months? Even computers don't age that quickly! Just what are the new must-have features that arrive every year? For home theater, the standards are Dolby Digital and DTS (and their rear center channel derivatives), and there doesn't seem to be another sound format that will be added anytime soon. Prologic II is the biggest upgrade these days, but it's primarily for stereo applications, not home theater.

    As for upgrading receivers, personally I don't really see the need. The home theater industry seems to be relatively stable and formats stick around long enough that I wouldn't mind shelling out for a completely new one when the time comes.

    Vinh
     
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    Hmmm... Last I heard, Dolby Pro Logic II was the perfect deprocessing format for DVDs only encoded with a 2.0 soundtrack...
     
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    pro logic and pro logic 2 are not encoded on a disk. they are sound formats that the processor creates from a stereo signal on the fly. if you are playing 2 channel stereo signal from a dvd or from tv or music then you can enable pro logic or pro logic two. it puts sounds that are equal on left and right speakers onto the center speaker, and sounds that are out of phase into a surround channel. DPLII is more advanced because it can create a full 5.1 signal from stereo instead of pro logic's single surround channel. also DPLII is supposed to sound more convincing and better than pro logic.
     

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