JAMES BOND ULTIMATE COLLECTION

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This is not unusual. Look at the extras on the Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition. There is a segment on how the film was composed for every shot using the super 35 frame. They frequently zoom in on the image, zoom out, change the framing from the left to the right side of the frame. This is done not only with the 2.35 extraction but also with the 1.33 "full frame" version. Almost never does the 1.33 version actually use the full frame. In fact the full frame version moves around a lot more than the 2.35 version does.

Of course super 35 is a different animal than a film shot scope. But the point is it’s not uncommon for the filmmakers to push in on an image or change the composition completely in post production.

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They have always used computer color correction. That’s one of the ways they are able to restore a badly faded film. AS for changing the aspect ratio I doubt that that was Lowry’s choice. More likely someone else asked them to do it.

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It's fine for the filmmakers to do that. Not a problem with that. What's not fine is for somebody else (normally a mere "technician") to come along later and change things.
 

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There's a thread set up by captainjoe called "James Bond Screen Comparison Collection" that does side by side comparisons. It's down a bit here in this forum.
 

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There is another comparison of all the Bond DVDs at:
http://filmz.dk/articles/view/1100/

Click on the title of each movie to go to a page full of screenshots. Then click on each picture to switch back and forth between the SE version and the UE version. While these are not the R1 UEs, in most instances they are close enough.
 

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I think these changes were probably supervised by Michael Wilson the writer and producer of the bond films since about 1979.

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Just got all four sets at Costco this weekend for $43 each, and watched Dr. No, From Russia With Love, You Only Live Twice and On Her Majesty's Secret Service and A View To A Kill and I'm VERY glad that I didn't let this thread scare me off.

I see nothing that flies in the face of the director's intention in the opening scene of OHMSS. It's clearly still morning, going from pre-dawn to just after sun-up. The talk here made it sound as if they had changed it to evening or something.

The next big test for me will be if I can get thru GoldenEye with it's cropping. Hopefully, it won't kill my enjoyment of it.
 

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There are some MGM DVD’s out there like Wild at Heart and Blue Velvet that state they have a "new transfer supervised by David Lynch". If a serious player that was involved with the film had supervised these prints you can be dam sure they would use that as a marketing tool. So again, another slip up and it would have certainly restored some major confidence in these sets if they would do that.

What we know for sure is they supplied a number of masters to EON for their perusal, and Bond historian John Cork (who worked on the previous DVDs and even some laserdiscs before that) also reviewed some of DTS's work. That sadly seems to be the extent of it. There was no sitting over the shoulder supervision going on.
 

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Well ION productions actually owns these films. Sony had to negotiate a separate deal with ION to distribute the Bond films apart from their buy out of MGM. Not unlike Fox's deal with George Lucas, Sony has no creative control over these films at all. That rest completely in the hands of the Broccoli family. And that would be Michael Wilson and Barbara Broccoli.

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Yes I know all that. But that still doesn't mean that either Wilson or Broccoli made ANY decisions with regards to new framing etc. I mean who would even expect that the framing on these films would have been messed up? They probably just looked at the pretty new image and said "wow, looks good" without doing any kind of side-by-side comparison with the master print. I suspect that most of their time over the last few years has been taken up with Casino Royale.

I'm sure Eon had some "creative control" over the re-issued Bond soundtracks a few years back too but that didn't stop them from being riddled with spelling mistakes (the booklet covers/notes I mean), and I know for a fact that the producer of those albums managed to get quite a few artistic changes under the radar - thankfully those changes were for the better!
 

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You may very well be right. But particularly the changes to Golden Eye don't look to me like some one just made a mistake. If it were a mistake then the whole reel or the whole film would be miss-framed the same way. The changes look too deliberate to me. I doubt some technician at Lowry just decided to go through the film and make framing changes to various shots in the film. The only reason to do that would be if there had been some damage to the film. The example of that being Diamonds are Forever where they framed out the white line going down the left side of the picture.

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Yet the restoration doc on the 2nd disc of Dr. No specifically cites an instance where Lowry didn't want to alter the scene without Eon's approval. If Lowry was picky enough to ask Eon whether or not they should remove the camera crew from the mirror in The Man With The Golden Gun, to me it's a no brainer that they asked about color timing and framing. And the fact that Eon didn't have the camera crew removed suggests to me that they had specific reasons for the changes in color timing and framing for the films so affected.

That's the logical train of thought. Now, I'm open to the possibility that some illogical decisions were made outside of this "chain of command", so to speak, but IMO it's less probable.

And I feel the need to reiterate again that Fox, Sony and MGM are all simply distributors in this case. Eon is the company that has final say. All the evidence points to them being the bottom line when it came to the decision making for presentation quality.
 

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It's a shame that the censored footage from "From Russia With Love", etc., couldn't be found and restored. That's the biggest disappointment about these DVDs to me.
 

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That's all rumor. There has never been any evidence of any alternate or longer versions of the early films.
 

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