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UHD James Bond films in Ultra HD blu Ray?

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Osato, Jan 19, 2015.

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  1. Osato

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    Moonraker also has the new mgm logo.

    Octopussy, golden gun, die another day, have the old mgm logo. Spy was remastered for Blu Ray previously.
     
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    Everything through Casino Royale is on Netflix in the US now.

    I’ll research more this evening.

    Golden gun in the Lowry transfer on Netflix.

    Moonraker looks fantastic.
    I am a bit confused on that one as I believe the Lowry transfer of Moonraker is a 4k one.
     
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    I'm making some notes as well based on the iTunes ones - they seem to have the very latest incarnations fortunately for me and HDR versions would be of no benefit to me right now either.

    They all seem to carry the new MGM logo except Casino Royale which retains the original B/W.

    Moonraker IMO is a 2160p bump of the blu ray and still has that bizarre static grain. All the previous 4k Lowry scans are 2160p bumps to, despite the credit being removed.

    Goldeneye is great though - only a cursory look but grain is back and DNR + edge enhancement is gone!
     
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    Are you watching the 4k service of Netflix?
     
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    No. iTunes, ATV. They have the commentary tracks as well.
     
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    That was generally my take, as well. Thunderball appears to be a completely new master. While I think the other new versions are still based off the existing 4K Lowry masters, there are some subtle differences. Dr. No is way too dark, Live and Let Die looks to have a lot less DNR, and there's no windowboxing on the title sequences. And the films originally done at 2K for blu all have new 4K scans.
     
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    I'll have to take a closer look at Thunderball. I see that the vertical scratches are still there which bugs me a bit. You can see them in the scene when Bond shows Domino the camera.
    Yes, I agree with Live and Let Die, less DNR as the grain is more apparent. The framing is identical to the BD so there's no reason to think they have started over here but they've certainly done some extra work. I also think whilst the colour grade is very similar, there's now a push towards green resulting in a more yellowish picture.
     
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    Netflix update.
    Moonraker
    A view to a kill
    From Russia with Love has the new logo...
    Possible new print for this one?

    Ohmss also features the new logo on Netflix.

    My assumption is that these are from the 4K transfers.
     
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    Had a run though of the logos last night. The versions I have ALL start with the new MGM apart from The World Is Not Enough. That retains its 75th Anniversary one (they are happy to blow their trumpet and keep the special ones but ditch the standard or original ones! lol) and Casino Royale onwards which have their theatrical ones.

    The first 3 films retain the Lowry credit despite Thunderball, Twice, Majesty’s and Diamonds being 2160p bumps IMO. Apart from the correction of titles I don’t think there is any difference. Twice still has the ridiculous whoosh as the gun barrel opens so no work has been done on the audio side lately.
    Thunderball still has the random bits of dirt on the lens when Domino’s boat arrives at the beach reminding us it was indeed shot on film, but to me I can't distinguish anything that says this is not the same transfer used for the BD.

    Expect the same Majesty’s for now - desaturated and contrast boosted. SE DVD for colour. Laser disc for audio and UHD for detail. Basically this film is cursed for home video.

    Dr No is now very contrasty and as said, too dark, almost like they are trying to give it a HDR look. No idea why they have changed it so drastically when the next film, Russia looks like a direct port. The day for night scenes as they boat to Crab Key and battle the "Dragon" are obliterated. Total fail. I would keep the Blu ray on hand for this one!

    Goldfinger is slightly washed out compared to the BD. The margin of change is not as wide as Golden Gun but its there. Something only noticeable switching between the two probably. I guess they go down this route of making it look natural and thus more modern? Either way to get back to Ted Moore's original golden hues, you’ll need to load the SE DVD, else whatever suits.

    So if your a Connery fan its not great news at the moment! But onwards and upwards...

    Live and Let Die- they seem to have gone back a few steps in the process to master this one and retain the original grain. If that’s the case, why not do the same for the others? If you happen to watch this followed by Golden Gun then it’s probably fortunate as it would be fairly jarring going from degrained to grain when they are both shot on Eastman 5254 a year apart.
     
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    Thanks for the post. These are the 4k iTunes versions correct?

    I’m puzzled at why some of the 2k ones on Netflix have the new opening. Moonraker was a 4k Lowry scan even though most of the Roger Moore bonds were not. Live and let die I believe was the only other Lowry 4k scan.
     
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    Yes.

    Isn't that they are the new 4k scans (as per the AVTAK screen shot) with the new logo attached and the existing 4k scans now with the new logo and in their true resolution? I will go through the Moore's next but I think that's what I'm seeing.

    Search "goldeneye 4k" on youtube. there's the pre-credit and train scene on there.
     
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    Ok.
    I’m assuming the Netflix 2k service Bond films with the newer mgm logos are from the 4k transfers. However Lowry did do 4k transfers originally of many of the films. 1962-1973 and 1979.

    So I’m confused on why from Russia or ohmss would have the new logo. As these should’ve been able to be sources from the Lowry 4k scan?

    I’ll have to do some disc and Netflix comparisons too.
     
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    In the case of Netflix I was assuming the 2k versions were ditched and they are now using new transfers such as the uncropped AVTAK.

    In the case of Russia, OHMSS etc, to clarify - they are the Lowry transfers but with the latest logo. it's as straight forward as that ;)
     
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    Clear as mud!

    Just kidding! I get it. I had assumed this.
    Curious that all films don’t have the new mgm logo on them and some retain the Lowry credits at the end of the film after the end credits!!
     
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    Hello everyone. I’ve been following this thread with interest...

    I’ve got the Bond 50 BD set, but am growing impatient waiting for a physical UHD release.

    As a MASSIVE Bond fan, particularly pre-1989, I’m seriously considering buying an Apple 4K TV purely for the Bonds...

    One question: is it worth it?!?
     
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    Are you a movie fan in general? If so then you’ll enjoy a new way to watch 4K movies. Many of them super cheap if you buy in iTunes sales.
     
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    The Apple TV is generally very good. I find the streaming quality of Netflix, Amazon and other apps to be superior through the Apple than Roku or built-in TV or player apps.
     
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    Absolutely - I'm a huge fan and have a large collection of LDs, DVDs, BDs and a few UHD BDs too. I agree that it'll be fantastic to watch more 4K content than is available on disc format - particularly the 007 films!

    Thank you also Worth for the info about the Apple TV vs. streaming apps. I think I'll take the plunge this week. It'll be a 40th birthday present for myself!
     
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    Agreed. Apple has their own CDN for content so as well as staying up when Netflix is down, content usually stream at a noticbly higher bitrate too. I think I saw a screen green recently of Roma streaming at 18mbps and the regular built in app streaming at 12mbps.
     

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