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Brad Grenz

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You don't suppose Mike_G's arguement could possibly be influenced by his place of origin? *cough* "XBox country" *wheeze*

Everyone from Xbox country knows PS2 games are evil to their black, black core.

Oh, and no one said anything about the Fifth Element because it is rated PG-13, not R.
 

Brett Halsey

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GTA 3 Australian Update:

The game which was originally on launch classified as M 15+ has now been re-released (as of last Monday 2/25) as an MA 15+ game.

The only things changed to my knowledge are 1) Minor cutting to some of the FMV scenes and 2) The beating/killing of old ladies and prostitutes are not allowed.

I for one missed the boat on this one (as I only got a PS2 two weeks ago), so that I get a 'real' version, I'm importing it from the UK right now.
 

Mike_G

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Gee, Brad, when the PS2 was launched my sig said "PS2 Country". Also, if you bothered to do your homework, I'm active on the FF X threads and other PS2 threads.

Thanks for playing, but BUZZ!

Mike
 

Derrik Draven

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I'm guessing that those of you that enjoy games about killing cops would enjoy, say, a flight simulator that allows you to fly into the World Trade Center. I mean, why not? You advocate cop killing and prostitute raping, so since you've already crossed the line, why not go all the way? So many people were killed that day, and you have no respect for what police represent, so I'm assuming you'd be all for that. Am I wrong? I'd really like to know where people draw the line in videogames. I've been playing them since all you had in the arcade was Pong and Space War, there's a line that has to be drawn, even for adult games.
Man, you're a wet dream for censorship whores like Lieberman.
I've been playing games since Pong and Spacewar as well. I'm 34.
You'd like to know where people draw the lines in videogames? Well, I'd like to know where guys like you draw the line in movies...or music...or literature.
Oh yeah, that's right. You're one of them "you ACTUALLY do it when you're playing a game", type of people.
Strange.
It's alright to sit and watch horribly detailed death and dismemberment in a movie, listen to very explicit nasty things being said in some of today's music, read horrific stories BUT.....God forbid you (drum roll please), pick up a game controller.
OH-MY-GOD!!!!!!!
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Now we are truly evil masters of the universe, making virtual pacts with Satan and becoming killers of man.
Give it fucking break....:rolleyes
I'm personally tired of hearing how we other adults have to curb our entertainment, that isn't hurting anyone, all because of the modern buzzline "It's for the children". :angry:
Hey, when your children start paying my taxes, paying my wage and taking care of all my bills, then they can have a say in my legal entertainment!
When I turn off my PS2 or XBox, PC, TV, DVD, CD, or friggin microwave oven, the game is now OFF!!! The overwhelming majority of other game players, even kids, are in the same group. They know it's just a stupid game. Those that don't, have bigger problems than some questionable game material.
Grand Theft Auto III is a rough game. It was made by a group of adults, for adults to purchase; not children.
And what in the hell does playing this game have to do with advocating the killing of REAL; hello, REAL police officers?!!? :confused: IT'S A GAME, HOSS!!!!!! A G-A-M-E!!!
People that can't differentiate between reality and a game are probably the same people you find waiting in line for the Jerry Springer show....
 

Chris Bardon

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You know what, I'd have to agree with one point made here: there SHOULD be an enforcable law against stores selling the wrong games to minors. There is for alcohol and cigarettes, so why not games. Noticed stickers on State of Emergency in EB last week that said that they check ID to buy this game, which is a great move on their part.
 

James Zos

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If there are no acts of rape in GTA3, then Mike_G, you should not say there are. You only undermine your own arguments by stating things which are not true.
 

DonaldB

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You know what, I'd have to agree with one point made here: there SHOULD be an enforcable law against stores selling the wrong games to minors. There is for alcohol and cigarettes, so why not games.
Because alcohol and cigarettes are demonstrably harmful while games are not.
 

Romier S

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It's so easy to blame the parents when there's no enforcable regulation against selling games to children.
Yes there is. Its called parents going to the prospective retailer with their children to see what he/she buys. Enforceable and very easy to regulate. Believe it or not an 11 year old does not have a paycheck Mike.

Now, will that gaurentee prevention of a game like GTA3 getting the hands of children. No it will not. Censorship and blaming the moral value of children on a videogame will not help things either.

I do very much disagree with your views Mike but you are allowed to have them. Where I have a problem is when I see you posting things like I mentioned above. Questioning the moral values of people that you dont even know for as silly a reason as working on a piece of entertainment that has supposed questionable moral values in your opinion.
 

Calvin Watts III

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Brian, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Some stores do enforce the ratings system. I can tell you for a fact that every game that has a mature rating comes up as such when said game is rung up,and that unless the person buying the game either has an ID,or a parent there,then we will not sell the mature.game to them.
As for GTA3 & State of Emergency, we don't have the games on the shelves. They are located behind the cash registers. In their place on the game shelf is a note stating where to buy the game,and in the case of GTA3, there is a seperate note stating that said game has explicit violence & mature themes,and that if anyone has any questions about it,to speak with an associate.
(This might not be done at every store in the chain,but this is what is done at mine.)
And I agree with it wholeheartedly.
I am a parent of a beautiful girl who will be 3 in May. She is really curious as to what Daddy likes, & as such,likes to watch me play games. She doesn't watch everything I play,and there is no way I would/will play GTA3 in front of her. Not for a long time,and not until myself, as her parent, would deem it okay to do so.
Because it is my responsibility to raise her as best as I can, to teach her what is good & bad,right & wrong,and things she will need to know in order to prosper & thrive in her life.
Please explain the "violence" in these games:
Asteriods
Pac-Man
Gyruss
Marble Madness
Tron
Crash Bandicoot
Tetris
I should have said MOST games, & not all. But,taken into the context of violence that you mean,well here you go:
Asteroids: blowing up rocks in space, & the occassional UFO. Which somebody is probably flying.
Gyruss also has you blowing up spaceships,presumably with people in them as well.
In Tron,you are a program fighting for survival. How do you do this? Gee,by blowing up and shooting things.
Crash has its own violence...beating up on bosses,dying,getting blown up....etc,etc.etc.
Pac-Man :) Gee,I don't know...but eating things can be seen as violent. Just because the ghosts are trying to eat you..does that give you the right to eat them??
Look at many of the cartoons that exist. Many of them are violent. Not just things like GI Joe & X-Men,but such family-fare as Pokemon,Mickey Mouse & Looney Tunes.
Where does it end?
Mike, everyone is entitled to an opinion in the USA. That is one of our given rights. I think I am perfectly capable of deciding what is right,and what is not. I believe I am a loving & caring parent, & on this subject, I simply disagree with your point of view.
 

MikeAlletto

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(edit out of wise crack back at Mike_G, don't want to respond to his personal attacks since that is not an adult thing to do)

Anyways...

It's so easy to blame the parents when there's no enforcable regulation against selling games to children.
It is not the governments or the industries responsibility to regulate who buys its games and movies...it is the parents responsibility to know what their kids are buying. It's as simple as that.
 

Chris_Anders

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Hey guys HALO won game of the year H.A.L.O....Halo, how about swichin' gears here and leaving the GTA3 talk to an appriate thread...Hmmmm possibly titled "GTA3 Content Discussion" or something along those lines.

Just trying to break it up a bit. I've been reading the posts and the SAME DAMN THING is being said in a hundred different ways by both sides. Getting no where fast except for bickering.

Just my two cents.
 

Masood Ali

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Chris, I think the discussion here is right on the money. Quite simple really; some people think GTA3 should've gotten the honors instead of Halo, and some people don't. We are merely arguing the merits of each side.

Besides, how interesting would the thread be if every single reply was just "Yay for Halo!".
 

JasonK

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Wow, I came to this thread expecting 'game of the year' chit-chat...anyhow,

With all due respect Mike_G of XBOX country, I can't see how calling Brian a 'defender of cop-killing' etc. etc. really strengthens your argument. The same thing goes for chastising every person who has defended the game.

A simple statement such as: 'GTA's subject matter bugged me out, and I don't feel kids should have access to it' would have sufficed.

But I'm not a kid, most of the people in this thread aren't impressionable 4-yr olds, we're cats who enjoy playing /games/.

Have you spoken to the wife or child of a dead cop lately to get their point of view?
I have not. Have you? Have you talked to Ice-T (or anybody in Body Count) about their point of view for the song "Cop Killer"? Have you talked to any members of NWA for their infamous "F*** The Police" song to get their point of view? Or perhaps you've had long discussions with Carlton Ridenhauer (aka Chuck D) about his thoughts, or like me, read his book?

I am fan of all of those songs, but fail to see the correlation between the music and how violent crimes against cops have gone up. The same thing goes for games and movies. I don't think it's fair to blame our society's ills on entertainment media.

And since others have asked yet you've dodged the question, I ask: Have you played GTA3 at all? Ever?

But ah, back to the topic at hand.

I liked GTA 3. A lot. Personally, I liked MGS2 more, same as FFX and Castlevania Circle of the Moon for Game Boy Advance.

Halo is fantastic, but since I don't own an XBOX and haven't been able to fully judge the single-player mode, I can only go by the multi-player mode. My pals and I all get together on Thursdays and Sundays and play online (thank you, Gamespy) for pure gaming bliss. No beef here against it winning game of the year.

Your pal,

Jason

*edited for grammar/clarity
 

Iain Lambert

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I'm glad that Halo won instead of GTA3. Say what you like, but only one of them allows me to shoot my mates in the head with a sniper rifle. Those 'cops' that have Mike_G in all a lather are all computer controlled artificial intelligences, and pretty simple ones at that. Nothing beats killing real people for fun on computer games.

/sarcasm
 

Dean DeMass

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In honor of this thread, I will go home today and pop in my choice for Game of the year (GTA3). After the game is on, I will 1st car jack a van, pick up a couple of prostitutes, pay them for their services, and then beat them down with my bat to get my money back. I will then head to the parking garage and snipe innocent civillians. This will then bring the police to my location. I will then toss grenades and maltov cocktails on their cars and blow them and the cars to hell. After some good explosions, the police chopper will come and I will then shoot that down with my rocket launcher.
I will then exit the garage with my AK-47 armed and start blasting every cop I see. Once the FBI comes, I will kill some of them. Once the Army comes, they will kill me trying to jack a tank. ;)
After I am done playing the GAME, I will say, "that is one hell of a GAME." I will then cook dinner, go workout, then come home, play a bit of Jet Grind Radio Future (The best X-box game), and then go to sleep so I can go to work in the morning.
Hell, GTA3 was the only game other than Mario games that my ex-wife had fun playing.
Games are games. Children shouldn't be playing games like GTA3 or SoE. But don't tell people that they are bad because they play or develop games of this nature. I have participated in many threads with BrianB and he is an excellent person and a very positive voice on this board. I loved GTA but never really played GTA2. I love GTA3 even more and IMHO, is in the Top 5 games ever created. Halo is a great game (I do have it), but I don't see why a child should be allowed to play this and not GTA3. Marines die and are killed in Halo (sometimes by the Master Chief), yet that is OK. I don't see how killing fictional aliens is OK, but killing fictional humans isn't? Killing is killing, whether it is a human, a dog, or an alien.
I will agree with one thing, games with ratings should be enforced and not sold to minors. If kid can't buy smokes, alcohol, or porn, why should they be able to buy a video game aimed at MATURE adults?
Brian,
Keep up the great work and I am looking forward to The Terminator game. It looks like a fun and violent time. ;)
-Dean-
 

Dave Falasco

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Like many others, I came into this thread expecting a Halo debate, and found myself embroiled in an argument over morality in games. But I think it's an interesting argument, and I would like to contribute my thoughts, if I may.

Normally I would argue that a video game should be singled out for an award based only on its merits as a game--gameplay, graphics, audio, innovation, replayability, all that good stuff. Content shouldn't be a part of the judging criteria. The reference to movies has been made several times already--if a movie is well-directed or has terrific acting performances, it should be eligible for the appropriate awards even if the subject matter is distasteful.

However, that is not to say I don't understand Mike_G's objection, and here's why: I don't know if he is a policeman or not, but look at this game from that point of view. Your character (and yes, I know it is just fictional) is essentially rewarded for killing cops. If you were an officer yourself, wouldn't that tick you off a bit? I mean, if the object was to sneak up behind software QA analysts and shoot them in the back of their heads, I would be pretty uncomfortable that myself.

Yes, there have been movies, songs, books, and even other video games with depictions of cops being killed, but either the killings are committed by the villians (and are therefore tragic) or the cops were corrupt and deserved what they got (according to the story). In this game, cops are killed for doing their job--showing up at a crime scene. And the killings are not villified, they are rewarded. I, for one, can understand if people, especially police or those close to them, would object to that.
 

Iain Lambert

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The cops are killed just for doing their job and we are supposed to enjoy it in the game? Shocking.

Now, remind me which scene of The Matrix gets used for demo material most of the time again? Hell, the game Max Payne even rips that very scene off, and I don't remember a moral outrage about it.

I wish I could remember the exact lines, but one of the best examples of Tarantino's writing is in Reservoir Dogs. They are discussing how the heist went and one guy asks if they had to kill anyone.

"Just two cops"

"No real people?"

"Just cops"

These guys are amoral criminals; they see the cops as the opposition rather than as actual human beings - the game just does the same to present that kind of criminal. Besides, my sarcastic comment above has some more sensible basis: its realism-based online shooters like Counterstrike that I consider more alarming than something where the people you shoot are entirely computer controlled.
 

Mike_G

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Now, remind me which scene of The Matrix gets used for demo material most of the time again?

Iain,

You mean the scene where real cops are getting killed? I don't remember that scene. I remember the consciosness of people living AS cops getting killed, but not cops themselves. In fact, other than the crew of the ship, I don't think there's one real person in that movie.

Mike
 

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