Is upconversion DVD player a waste if I have a 480p projector?

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  1. Eric_Nathan

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    Will an upconversion DVD player improve the picture quality at all if my projector is only 480p?
     
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    If your projector will only display a 480p picture and no higher, then any signal that is sent to it will be up/downconverted to 480p, the projector's "native" resolution. That is, a 480i signal will be upconverted to 480p and 720p, 768p and 1080i signals will be down converted to 480p. Your best bet would be to get a really good progressive scan player to take advantage of your projector's "native" resolution.[​IMG]
     
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    If your display is only capable of 480i/p it would most likely be impossible to feed it 720p/1080i video anyway. With few exceptions (Zenith/LG, Momitsu) upconverting players output 720p/1080i video via DVI/HDMI digital connections *only*. Your projector probably doesn't have either of these inputs. In addition it's doubtful that it could handle either scan rate even if you purchased a player that upconverts over component, so it's really a moot point.

    Chuck's correct - a player that produces quality 480p component output is your best choice.
     
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    Maybe I should clarify. I haven't purchased my projector yet. I want to find a projector/dvd player that are compatible and will give me the upconversion. I will likely end up with a 4805 or Optoma h30/h31. Can those pjs handle the upconversion?
     
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    I don't know Eric. You'll have to do some research to find out. I'd be very surprised, however, if a native 480p projector has DVI/HDMI and/or could handle 720p/1080i at all.
     
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    The only thing about some of the upscaling players is that they use the Faroudja chip for De-interlacing which might provide a better picture on 480i material. With the price of some of these upscaling players, it's cheaper than the higher end players and provide an equal or above picture quality.
     
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    Yes, the current round of low-end DLP projectors (with max resolution of 480) can handle 720p/1080i just fine, they simply bring it down to 480p. Quite a lot of feedback about how good this looks on a 4805, H31 and other PJs exists over on the Displays board.
     
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    Well with that question answered the next thing to consider is how all of those conversion steps will affect the quality of the video. I can't imagine that it would be a positive thing and think that you'd probably be better off feeding a 480p projector a native rez 480p signal. Generally speaking the simplest path with the fewest conversions is the best one.
     
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    The deinterlacer doesn't come into play on 480i output - it's interlaced. [​IMG]
     
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    I use the x1 which is native 480p, but accepts hdtv signals and downconverts them. I use a liteon 2001 which I have set to output 1080i.

    Even though on paper it should looks best being fed a 480p signal, I noticed a significant improvement by using the 1080i signal. I guess that that particular dvd player puts out its best most artifact free image when upconverting.

    It also had a better image then any of my other progressive or non progressive dvd players. My advice would be to try one out and see with your own eyes.
     
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    "On paper" almost any DVD player will look best on the X1 when the DVD player is running 480i through the S-video break-out cable, not 480p unless it's a really fantastic DVD player.

    Some would suggest that an upconversion DVD player is a waste regardless of the resolution of your projector.... [​IMG]
     
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    Well like I said, the results also showed a decent improvement over the interlaced output. I dont think there really is any benefit to scaling the image to hdtv resolution, especially if its going to be downconverted anyway, I think it just happens that the upscaling dvd players do a fantastic job of deinterlacing the image, and the manufacture put the most effort into the hdtv output. I dont think there is anything magic about them, but they seem to put out an image quality such that it competes with more expensive progressive units.
     

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