As I read people's posts about the difficulty of calibrating using VE and AVIA, and most people write things to the effect of either "It's dead on", or "How do I know when it's blooming" it occurs to me that if we referred to specific scenes in movies we might get somewhere. If we used real-life scenes where we can definitively say something to the effect of "If you can't see this, then your set it not right", or even "You should not see this..." I think for many (myself included) this might be quite useful. As far as shadow detail goes I used to think Robert DeNiro hiding in a dark corner in "Heat" was as good a test as any. I have a new one that should be even more definitive. Just watched "The Killing Fields" the other night (it was damn good, but not truly great - a little too 80's for my taste). There's a shot early on which is totally backlit by the sunset. In fact, it's the same shot they use for the cover art http://us.imdb.com/ImageView?u=http%...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg (note: in the movie Sam Waterston is backlit too. They make his visible on the poster). Even with the extreme backlighting, I can just make out figures and shapes amongst the shadows on the left (ie: a person's leg moving in front of the boat, etc.). I don't know that my TV (direct view CRT) is properly calibrated. I do know that I've used VE, and I think it looks pretty good (thus the problem). I would really love it if somebody with a properly calibrated system (ISF'd, if possible) could check out this scene and let me know what should, or should not be visible. Also, as this is a high APL image, I would imagine that this is a good real-life test for a TV's ability to hold black at black, rather than just eyeballing some strips on a background. Hope everybody checks out the scene, and the movie. Looking forward to everyone's results.