Is the World Series fixed?

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  1. LarryDavenport

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    Sorry if I sound like just another disgruntled Mariner fan, But I think the World Series is fixed. And I'm not saying that the Yankees are in on it, but the A's, Mariner's, and Diamondbacks sure have been giving games away.
     
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    Being a disgruntled A's fan I can't say that thought hadn't crossed my mind as well.
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  3. Mike Broadman

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    I don't know junk about baseball, nor do I care, but I spent a half-hour last night listening to my roommate rant and rave against the Yankees and how it's unfair that they won.
    Let's get something straight: the winner of a series of a games is the better team. That's it. I don't care how great the other tean is supposed to be, all the stats and number, etc. It means nothing if not applied. If the coach made bad decisions, or the players made mistakes, then they are simply not the better team and deserve to lose.
    As a Giants and Knicks fan, for example, I don't like the Cowboys and Bulls. A few years ago when the Bulls and Cowboys were winning all the championships, it ticked me off. But I didn't complain that it wasn't fair. They were the best teams, it's that simple.
    I hear a lot of talk about why the Yankees are winning. Isn't it possible that they are just the best team?
     
  4. Allen Hirsch

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    The secret is in the pinstripes.
    The opposing team stares at 'em, becomes transfixed or hypnotized by them just long enough to make a mental error or two, compounded by a physical error or two - and voila' - the Yanks as champs again, even when they're only the 3rd or 4th best team in their own league.
    Reminds me of the Celtics of old - put any journeyman NBA player in the Celtic green, and they became world-beaters.
    Same thing here - who would even want a Brosius or Knoblauch in their starting lineup? Is there a WORSE looking hitter than David Justice this whole WS? Man, he's taken some hacks that are flat-out embarrassing, missing the ball by 2 feet - and 9 Ks in 11 ABs to show for it, too. Doesn't matter - Yanks win.
     
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    The only thing fixed about the WS is the start times.
     
  6. Jin E

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    >>Isn't it possible that they are just the best team?
     
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    For me, it tends to be their fans. The team itself is amazing.
    And no, I don't think the World Series is fixed. The NBA, yes, World Series, no.
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    I sense an Oliver Stone film coming from this thread.
     
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    Larry, I hate to say it, but I think you may be on to something here. And no, I'm not a D'Backs, A's, or M's fan. It just seems AWFULLY fishy to me. But, I called it. After the 8th inning yesterday, I told my suitemate the Yankees would at least tie it in the 9th. And, much to my chagrin, they did.
     
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    The best way to fix is to have the umpires call balls strikes for one team. This will work because the t.v. anouncers will say that"it got the corner" or "it paints the black". Even though if they do show the above high camera shot and it shows the ball didn't touch the plate.
     
  11. RicP

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    Unbelieveable. I have to say that I've honestly never in my life seen as many sore losers as I have this year.
    Yea it's fixed...Didn't you know that players can hit a baseball 350ft anytime they want? Off of any pitch? They just save it for clutch situations.
    Get a grip on reality people.
    quote: who would even want a Brosius or Knoblauch in their starting lineup? [/quote] Better watch out...your baseball ignorance is showing. What a ludicrous question.
     
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    What I find to be funny is that Yankee fans are amazed by this team. I ask why? If your team has the highest salary in the league, then you are expected to win. Plain and simple.
    Now, if the Yankees were doing this with the lowest payroll in the league, that's a different story.
    I'm sorry. I just can't applaud something this rediculous.
     
  13. Mike Broadman

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    Jin, I'm sorry, but I really don't see your point. Yes, you're right, the Korean pitcher guy was at a severe disadvnatage. Therefore, he was the inferior player. Therefore, he lost.
    It's a competition, where the best team/man wins. A young, inexperienced pitcher is not the best man. I really don't see why people are so shocked that the Yankees won.
     
  14. Mark Schermerhorn

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    Naw, it ain't fixed, although that pitch to Ripken in the All star game was a fix. Of course, he still had to have the skill to hit it out.
    Indeed, it is the Yankee fans that bring out the worst in people. Actually what bothers me is all the Yankee fans, HERE IN MINNESOTA!! At the bar last night, half the crowd (50 ppl or so) was cheering for the yankees, there were maybe 4 of us cheering for the Dbacks. Oh well, guess everyone wants to be associated with the winners. Fans of the Bulls in the 90's and the Cowboys in the early 90's were just as bad.
    Once again, this is why I like the NFL so much more. All teams exist on a level playing field. You don't hear talk about the NFL contracting because the Bengals or the Browns can't make money or compete. Heck those teams aren't even that bad this year. And you don't have anyone winning the super bowl 4 times in 5 years. It just doesn't work that way. Try to purchase a championship, you end up with the redskins. Try to purchase a championship in baseball, you get the marlins of 97 (or 98?).
     
  15. LarryDavenport

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    RicP,
    I don't think I'm being a sore loser and I don't really think the World Series is fixed. I just grew tired of FOX's (especially Tim McCarver's) pro-Yankee bias during the ALCS so chose not to watch the WS. I'm sure after the WTC the city (or region) needs the boost in spirits. (and I'm tired of waking up every morning and hearing Katie Couric praise the Yankees when everyone knows she doesn't know a bat from a ball).
    My comment was more directed at the boneheaded pitching decisions of the Diamondbacks who have blown two games in a row in the 9th inning (and my aggrivation that the M's bats, who had been hot during the regular season went cold during the post-season). It really does look like the D-Backs bullpen (Kim) are serving up gopher balls at the end of the game. But since I haven't really followed the D'Backs season, maybe their bullpen is really that bad.
    This just seems to be one of those finishes to a season that seems scripted out of Hollywood. Like a bad movie, most of us are pretty bored with it. It's frigging Rocky 6!
    As a Mariner fan who has watched the Yankees beat us in two consecutive ALCS, I reserve the right to hate the Yankees (as much as Yankees fans have the right to hate the Red Sox).
    I will say one more thing though, I went to every Yankee-M's game this year in Seattle and watched all the games in NYC (regular season and post season). I think Seattle fans showed a lot more respect and class to your players than you did to ours. With the exception of people booing Paul O'Neil in Seattle (I still don't know what that's about) we treated your guys pretty well (especially after 9/11). We don't spit on your guys, we don't throw shit at your outfielders, and we never shout rascist remarks at your players.
    Even the NYTimes was embarrassed by your fans.
     
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  17. Mark Schermerhorn

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    .. or the Orioles or Dodgers or Red Sox...
    I never said you have a guaranteed winner by "buying" a team in baseball. The point was that it isn't possible in football. And it's generally been shown that you have to spend a lot if you're going to win it all in baseball.
    By the way, who will you be rooting for on Saturday? Andy Pettitte (from the Yankees' farm system) or that expensive free agent for the D-Backs?
    Thats not the point, and one example doesn't speak for the whole team. Obviously any team that makes it to the series after 4 years of existance is pretty much a "purchased" team. I'm rooting for the Dbacks because they're the underdog and I'm sick of seeing the yankees win, not because they remind me of how the Minnesota Twins got back above .500 for the first time in a long time. The point is that the yankees can purchase anyone they need at any position. If one of those people comes from their farm system, they bring em in. They'll use all resources available.
    [Edited last by Mark Schermerhorn on November 02, 2001 at 03:50 PM]
     
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    quote: The point is that the yankees can purchase anyone they need at any position. If one of those people comes from their farm system, they bring em in. They'll use all resources available[/quote] [​IMG] And this is different from other teams how?
    Other teams DON'T use all resources available?
    BTW for all the "Payroll" sore losers...
    Funny how there's nothing being said about how awful the Red Sox, Dodgers, and Mets were this year despite their BLOATED payroll.
    I guess you can only be accused of "buying" your team when you win. Which of course we all know has to do with the little green bills and not the players.
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  19. Trey Fletcher

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    quote: Obviously any team that makes it to the series after 4 years of existance is pretty much a "purchased" team.[/quote]
    Dammit, for the last time...
    (C)Damian Miller: Expansion Draft
    (3B)Matt Williams: Traded for an Expansion Draft player (and a damn good one in Travis Fryman)
    (P)Brian Andersen: Expansion Draft
    (LF)Luis Gonzalez: Traded for an Expansion Draft player (and a damn poor one in Karim Garcia)
    (SS)Tony Womack: Traded for farm players
    (2B)Craig Counsell: Signed to a Minor league contract after being cut by the Dodgers (read: no one else wanted him!)
    (P)Miguel Batista: Farm System
    (RF)Reggie Sanders: Sat out '99 and '00 with injury and signed by the Dbacks (read: no one else wanted him!)
    David Delluci: Expansion Draft
    (DH)Erubiel Durazo: Farm System
    (P)Curt Schilling: Traded for an Expansion draft player (Omar Daal), and Farm system player (Vicente Padilla), and a free agent (Travis Lee).
    (CF)Danny Bautista: Farm System
    (CF)Steve Finley: Released by the Padres. (no other team wanted him; age)
    (1B)Mark Grace: Released by the Cubs. (no other team wanted him; age)
    (P)Randy Johnson: FREE AGENT! OH MY GOD, THE DBACKS BOUGHT THEIR WAY INTO THE SERIES!
    Gee, could it actually be that Joe Garagiola Jr. and Jerry Colangelo have simply assembled a bunch of outcasts and thought to be "has beens", who care more about winning than personal acclaim or stats?
    As for the WS being fixed? Nah. The NBA draft (1985-Patrick Ewing to NY, nuff said) and playoffs (in the last 15 years a team from one of the 4 largest cities in the country has one the title) are fixed. The Dbacks were two pitches from having the trophy with them on their flight back to Phoenix, but instead the Yanks pulled two homers out of a hat. Will the BOB mean a change in fortune for the Dbacks? Doubtful, but we'll see. TF
    [Edited last by Trey Fletcher on November 02, 2001 at 04:42 PM]
     

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